and of course the MSM just tells us the headline …and shows Douchebag Donald repeating it …
Because horserace SIGH
I have to be honest I’m at a loss to see where/how Clinton made some horrible remark. Sanders understood exactly what Clinton was saying and to be honest, I don’t think anything she said was factually wrong.
A lot of Sanders young supporters are new to politics, that was a huge argument from Sanders people as to why he was the better candidate, he was bringing in new voters. A lot of Sanders young supporters bought into the idea of a political revolution, where Sanders election as President would automatically transform the political system for the better. A lot of Sanders supporters are straight out of college or in college and facing mountains of dept in Student Loans and also feel they’re entitled or were promised better jobs than are currently available to them.
I get why the right is trying to make it a thing. I get why the Extreme Left and MSM wants it to be a thing, I just don’t think it is a thing.
I’m glad Sanders laid it all out because he got her message correctly and yeah she took a pot shot at Sanders but, they were both doing it during the Primary.
This is HO and the media’s Hail Mary attempt to throw a Romney 47% into the mix and get the public, and the Media, away from talking about what a poor debater Donald Trump is, and how unstable Donald Trump is to be holding onto his petulant rage over his treatment of Alicia Machado coming out to public scrutiny.
Expect more increasingly desperate and low road Hail Mary passes from HO, his children, his campaign folks and hatchet people.
indeed, talking about lack of jobs, quality of jobs, being “stuck” is not at all derogatory… perhaps the Repubs. think this is a “47%” moment…
The only thing that’s a problem here is the optics of saying they’re living in their parents’ “basement”. Had she said they live with their parents there would have been nothing, but we’ve been demonizing people living in the basement as pimple-faced millennial Internet trolls for so long that it just sounds bad to people even when it’s said sympathetically.
Hi Carlos.
Agree, Hillary was not being condescending but was showing empathy. She, and Bernie, support policies that will help them get jobs.
Thankfully Bernie did not take the bait.
I’m one of the millineals that is supposed to be offended by this statement (though I was never a Sanders supporter).
I’m under employed, working on my third college degree to try and get my slice of the American Dream and living with my parents while I’m doing it. And I agree with everything she said including the statements of Sanders’ was making false promises.
But they all weigh 400 pounds and spend their waking hours hacking.
Amirite Donald?
Clinton maybe said a little too much about people who want “free stuff” but the thrust of what she said is absolutely true. Also what she didn’t say, that I don’t think a lot of people understand - there’s a big difference between a millennial born in 1982 and a millennial born in 1992. Different experiences, and what she said about the younger half of millennials applies more than the older half. They went to college, took on student loan debt, and they got some crappy job making $11 an hour and still live at home, because they found out too late the job market isn’t what they were told it was - they’re frustrated, pissed off. She said that she, and Dems, have to understand them and be able to relate to them. It wasn’t mocking, or whatever people trying to make this a thing are saying it was.
Oh, I’m not at a loss. While I don’t thing it’s a big deal, her comments about Sanders supporters “living in their parents’ basement” with their “feelings” and “mindset” of entitlement were insulting, no matter what Sanders says. It showed that she believed that Sanders supporters were chasing after unrealistic things, live free college and healthcare (or unicorns, as a certain group of Hillary supporters liked to say).
But far worse than the dismissal and condescension was her admission, apparently sincere, that she was a candidate of “center left to the center right”; I don’t know how, as a leftist, I’m supposed to respond to that.
This was all about trying to give Sander’s supporters something to be outraged about. I’m sure it will work on some who still want to re-litigate what happened during the primaries. If you need something to be all faux outraged about, I say, have at. Most people have moved on. Sanders has moved on. Time for everyone else to join in. This is another big ole nothingburger for those who still need to cling to their anger.
When the alternative is Donald Trump, the way to respond to the “center” candidate is to vote for her.
Ever heard of the idea of forming a “popular front” against fascism? Used to be a pretty well known concept on the left.
Another one some of my fellow leftists seem to have forgotten is “solidarity,” in this case with the minorities who Trump seeks to trample underfoot.
Compared to those issues, nitpicking about the “condescension” of some of Clinton’s rhetoric just shouldn’t be much of a priority. Plenty of time to re-litigate this stuff after the election, if it’s that important to you.
Agree, this is similar to what the Right tried to do in 2008 with then-Senator Obama’s comment about “clinging to their guns and religion.” When you listen to the entire comment, it is clear that Obama was empathizing with working class whites who feel left behind, not at all privileged, and who hold some suspicion and grievances that they feel are not being addressed.
Spare me the lecture, PPP. I know all about Trump. I oppose his election, and will vote for HRC if it’s at all close here in Illinois. But I am disheartened to have a “center-left to center-right” candidate, for whom I am to vote because the alternative is so bad - which I admit it is.
And I’m not “re-litigating” anything. I was merely responding to a poster who didn’t see that Clinton said anything that could be construed as a slight. Just trying to illuminate what the issue might be.
I hope you’ll forgive my lack of enthusiasm.
Just curious - precisely how close does it have to be, and whose word will you be taking as to how close it is?
God almighty! Imagine having to worry about the “optics” of every throwaway comment you ever make in your life. I get tired just thinking about it. But that’s where Hillary Clinton is.
(Not Donald Trump, of course. He’s a guy. He can “speak his mind.”)
People generally live in the basement when they graduate into a recession because, if their room wasn’t already down there (and most teens really want as many floors between them and the rents as possible–I know I did–Mom turned it into her scrapping room or whatever while they were at college.
If I’d had to come back home, the last damn place I’d want to have been is back in my old bedroom with all my high school posters and nerd competition trophies. I’d have eaten a bullet after the third week.
If you don’t know how to respond to a candidate admitting they are center-left to center-right, in a 2 horse race where the other candidate is so far off the right that even the right disowns him, you’ve disqualified yourself from ever having an opinion on politics.
Of course Hillary thought what Sanders was promising was undeliverable. If she thought they were deliverable, she would have promised them. You think she wouldn’t be doing much better (both in the primaries and general) if she was out promising free tuition, free healthcare, etc?