Discussion: Ryan Foils GOP Plot To Force Democrats Into Abolish ICE Vote

This paragraph from the ICA seems relevant:

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In related news, Trump is openly a traitor and Ryan doesn’t care to lift a finger to stop this.

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And besides, when was the last time ICE harrased white people?

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It will get worse before it gets better — but it will get better.

Hang in there.

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Angry old white Christian nationalist conservative Republican former Dubya appointee whose son, Marc, was going to join Trump’s legal team, and who has been criticizing the Mueller probe and accusations of Russian interference in our elections from the get go, inventing counter-theory after counter-theory to pooh-pooh the whole thing and shift blame to the hated President Darky and Clintonistas? Gosh…I have no idea what stake he feels he has in this…

To be fair, his douchebag son was smart enough to back off and stay at Greeberg Traurig (yeah, he’s buddy buddy with Rudy) where he is, predictably, a white collar criminal defense attorney.

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Ryan quashed the idea, worrying that the Democrats would abstain from voting as a bloc, making the Republicans look petty and unserious.

No worries there, son. You need no help from the Dems for that.

Yes I’ve been hearing that for years, but it’s a waste in a district like mine that is solid GOP. Have not had a Dem congressman in 30 years. One gets put straight to voice mail, no replies to emails except for bedbug letters.

And yet another perfect script for Democratic midterm candidates.

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…making the Republicans look petty and unserious.

They are WELL past that.

And better shower labeling.

Too late. You already look petty and unserious.

Abstain? They were sure this would be irresistible catnip to Dems.

Republicans will instead soon hold a vote on a bill introduced by Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA) that expresses support for ICE to try to set themselves apart from Democrats on the agency.

The fact that they’re doing this instead suggests that Ryan likes the goal, but is afraid Scalise’s plan will show either unified support from Dems that they’ll benefit from, or unified opposition because even abolish-ICEers will say it’s just a bad bill.

Acronym Pronunciation Guide: " merlpoo" ?

He’s using the only measurement that means anything to him: money.

Any other considerations (the safety and well-being of the American people, for example) are a distant second, barely perceptible in the rear-view mirror.

And yes, I’m pretty sure he thinks of himself as a latter-day pirate…

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Or how about the anodyne, all-purpose (but generally meaningless) Reform ICE? Or slightly more daring, Fix ICE? Still, the real problem is the policies that the agency is expected to “enforce” (The E part). Not at all clear that this country is ready to support a more humane immigration policy, no matter what terminology is used.

To dream the impossible dream,
To fight the unbeatable foe,
yada yada

But I think you’re right. We gotta keep the faith, praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

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How about Freeze ICE? Catchy, doncha think?

Something Putin knows and had ninety uninterrupted minutes with him to use.

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Well, that’s just it. It’s how those policies are enacted that makes it imperative for ICE to cease to exist as an entity. It’s one thing to move children around; it’s another to make them bathe themselves in bathroom sinks like the homeless dudes at the library. It’s one thing to transport women to another location; it’s another to lock them, vomiting, in an airless, windowless back of a van for 24 hours to move them a couple hundred miles.

It’s bad enough what they’re being asked to do, but it’s the cruelty, the indifference, and the lack of even a pretense of oversight that makes the agency so vile it really needs to be shut down, rearranged, and portioned out to more humane (hopefully) and functioning bureaucratic cultures.

The GOP in particular have been great champions of the idea that the best way to address failing schools is to shut them down, fire the staff and teachers, open under a new name and management and make everyone reapply for their jobs. Honestly, in rare cases that may be the best solution. That’s how I see this, like Guantanamo. Maybe not the worst idea ever in conception but once it was associated in the public’s mind with the atrocities that happened there, once it was established that the whole structure and staffing, that had carried out or encouraged or even allowed these things to happen, was in one way or another complicit, it’s become a symbol of the corruption and of the turning on America’s purported values and laws.

And that’s what I see ICE becoming. The word itself has become a symbol of things going wrong in America. Time to go. Get rid of it.

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