Not far at all. There’s no doubt in my mind they would’ve chucked his fat ass overboard already if they thought their voters wouldn’t revolt. But no one, not even the GOP, wants to be under his control for the rest of their careers. Besides, plenty of Republicans would like to seek higher office too.
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What have you seen in him over the last few decades that at all suggests he’d be even remotely capable of constructing such a thing?
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hahahahahahahahaha
His lawyers aren’t even that smart.
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Great post – thanks!!
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It seems to have published first in a german newspaper, I forget the name but it was on https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-05/deutsche-bank-is-said-to-have-received-subpoena-on-client-trump
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I think you and whomever it was I read the other day make an extremely good case when it comes to what’s the most definitive, final, argument-ending outcome that moves us beyond this place where know-nothing white-backlash idiots have perverted our government and driven the society into a ditch. You’ve also correctly identified the problem, which is we don’t want to wait that long! To me there’s a tie-breaker, though. Nuclear war. We have to be chill on North Korea and we have to look Putin straight in his beady eyes and say if you’re eyeing various bits of Europe to snatch back when nobody’s looking, dude, don’t even fucking think about it. Obama could do that. Hillary could have done it. I hope a future President who isn’t nuts will do it. Trump could fuck both situations up in a world-ending way. So if he’s removed and wingnuts whine I’m good with it. That’s how I see things.
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Every time I see this I think, “Why didn’t the eagle GET him?!?”
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@stephanie1954
Deutsche Bank, the German bank that serves as Trump’s biggest lender, was forced to submit documents about its client relationship with the president and some of his family members, who are also Deutsche clients, after Mueller issued the bank with a subpoena for information, according to multiple media reports. The news was first reported by Handelsblatt, the German newspaper.
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Both are possible.
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Yes, both would be good…
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Do you honestly think Mueller hasn’t prepared for that or any number of other similiar stunts? Do you really think the members of the house and Senate would back Trump up if he pulled a stunt like that? Heck, they already approved and funded Mueller’s investigation and threw more sanctions at Russia – and in Trump’s face.
Trump is getting further and further isolated in all of this.
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Do I think Mueller has prepared for that, and any other number of similar stunts? Yes.
Do I think members of the house and senate would back Trump if he pulled a stunt like that? Not sure, but I envy your optimism. I would put absolutely nothing past them at this point. NOTHING.
In any event, if we want there to be repercussions in congress for such an event, it would behoove all of us to make our voices heard loud and clear when that happens. The best way to do that is to get up from our couches, log off the computers and protest in the streets and at congressional offices. Unless you have a better idea. I think we can all agree internet message boards, while fun and useful, won’t be the path to restoring the rule of law if Mueller is sacked.
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My guess is someone at the bank in Germany leaked it to the press. They might face professional but not legal repercussions for divulging the subpoena.
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My best case scenario is that he’s removed or resigns AND Democrats run the table and utterly destroy the Republican Party next year and in 2020. While I agree with @professorpoopypants assessment I also think the danger the man presents is entirely too catastrophic to endure for another three years. The sooner he goes the better, we’ll sort out the rest afterwards.
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That’s the kind of lawyers you get when you don’t pay them.
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I doubt many people care about an American subpoena in Germany.
Banks in Germany have very strict rules about reporting about their customers (dates back to the Nazis, where banks where used to target Jewish customers). I don’t know if this also covers non-German citizens, though.
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Oh, I was at the D.C. Woman’s March in Jan. and at the Stand Up for Science rally in Boston at Copley Place in Feb. I was also on the Boston Common this summer the day the White Supremists planned a rally (then hid in a cupola and fled like rats).
I have become a fully weaponized middle aged mom 
. When it’s time to show up, I SHOW UP.
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I’m not sure what you mean. Do you just mean that both are possibilities, or do you mean both could happen to Trump at the same time?
If you mean he could be impeached and removed before the election, and then Pence or whoever runs on the GOP side gets crushed, which is (correctly) taken as the voters repudiating Trump and Trumpism even though he’s not on the ballot, then I would agree to an extent (and would certainly be fine with that outcome). It wouldn’t be quite as clear a repudiation of Trump by the voters as it would be if Trump was on the ballot and got crushed. But, like I said, I’d gladly take that outcome – Trump gone sooner, and the Trumpublican party repudiated at the polls.
The only scenario I can think of where Trump runs in and loses the 2020 race and is ALSO impeached/removed by Congress would be if Trump is impeached/removed during the lame duck period, after getting defeated at the polls.
Or did you mean something else entirely?
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Deutsche Bank has a long history of laundering money for Russian oligarchs.
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I guess I can’t really argue with that. Even if Trump gets himself and his co-conspirators pardons on the way out the door, that’s still better than a madman having the nuclear codes for 3 more years.
And even if the right makes a martyr of Trump and believes he “would have won re-election if the deep state hadn’t taken him out,” many of them will likely say the same thing if he’s defeated at the polls.
So yeah, maybe they get to have their martyr and their white-hot case of butthurt, and maybe Trump and his inner circle get to skate on their federal crimes (thankfully, still probably state crimes to nail some of them on) but we avoid a couple years of “madman with the nuclear codes,” as well as at least some of the other damage Trump would have done in the meantime. (Whoever the replacement is, Pence or otherwise, might continue the damage, but as a practical matter they will be in a weak position as they would be the unelected successor to an impeached / disgraced president. So they would likely be reduced to somewhat of a caretaker role until the next election, which was sort of the case with Ford.)
At any rate, I’ll settle for any version of “Trump gone, GOP crushed at the polls in '18 and '20, Trumpublicanism repudiated, country survives.”
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