Discussion: Reports: Trump Records At Deutsche Bank Subpoenaed By Mueller

Well georgeh and a sock puppet are trolling the Farenthold thread - go knock yourself out.

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I’m sure it’s entirely coincidental that the only bank willing to lend money to Donald Trump is also the bank that got caught laundering $10 billion in dirty Russian money. Just one of those weird coincidences that doesn’t mean anything.

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I’ve also heard it called ā€œThe Ivan-ceptā€ also. Home of Glen Greenwald

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The principal reason not to trust anything from the Intercept.

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I, for one, am appalled at your insensitivity in bringing this up at this time. And, you didn’t even offer any thoughts or prayers. Godless Heathen!

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I picture the GOP crouching in a corner, quivering, muttering repeatedly, 'Just get us the tax cuts. Just get us the tax cuts."

Then Paul Ryan whispering, ā€œMedicare and Social Security, too.ā€

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Trump, your days are numbered.

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I hope everyone here is bracing for the Mueller-firing. President F@$kface has been eerily silent this morning. If he pulls the trigger, it’s time to take to the streets. There’s nothing funny about this.

And, God knows, we can trust a bank to fully cooperate.

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We know Trump’s a gutless wonder but I have to say if a big 'ol eagle suddenly got agitated within clawing distance of my face I might scoot back too.

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I didn’t write that yesterday, but I have expressed that view many times and I think it’s true. Don’t get me wrong, if Trump fires Mueller (or tries to) he should be impeached. If Mueller finds clear-cut evidence of a conspiracy between Trump (or his top folks) and Russians to steal the election, he should be impeached.

But crushing him in the voting booth would be the ideal outcome – instead of making him a Martyr, it would just make make him a Big Fat Loser.

And it would make it clear that Trump, and Trumpism overall, has been rejected by the American public. Whereas impeachment would mean Trump being removed by Congress (and the ā€œdeep stateā€ in the form of Mueller and the FBI), based on the Russia scandal.

The problem, of course, is that the election is still 3 years away. So it’s hard to know what to root for, a quicker but less satisfying conclusion, or a later but more fulsome rejection of Trump and Trumpism by the voters.

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I am praying you are right, but I’m just feeling a bit jittery. I mean there doesn’t seem to be a bottom to this cesspool. The GOP just keeps sinking, and sinking, and sinking…

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This is where the shit hits the fan. Trump has steadfastly refused to release his tax returns. He’s hypersensitive about his wealth. He ties the period of bankruptcies that resulted on his dependence on Deutche Bank for money. And the Russians are intertwined in all the above. Add in Mueller’s records hunt looping in his kids and Mueller’s Deutche Bank action is ripe for causing a major eruption. I can see those records holding extremely damaging intel, or at least intel that leads to other stuff that is fatal to Trump, so much so that Trump says to hell with whatever happens as a result, he fires Mueller. Or, he orders the DOJ not to contest a Deutche refusal to hand over the records. A refusal he somehow back channel arranges with several layers of separation and deniability.

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It’s even simpler than that. If he hadn’t run for president nobody would be looking into any of this. I’m convinced that a lot of people are going to jail, or will be convicted felons, all because they got on the Trump train. And every last one of them deserves to rot.

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We can do that next year.

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Panic at the daycare.

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I wonder if he was trying to steal its food.

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I haven’t seen the answer anywhere but I wonder if this was a purposeful release by Mueller or it was leaked from somewhere else. If it was a tactical move by Mueller, it looks VERY bad for short fingers. If is a leak that was not approved by Mueller, it is harder to predict what is going to happen next.

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Here’s my wish, if granted by a genie …

Mueller tightens the grip on trump’s nuts, eventually crushing his empire, sending him and his whole rotten family to jail. Next year if possible, o Genie!

In 2018, America dumps the thoroughly corrupt entrenched Republican party and replaces them with fresh-faced patriots of any party.

In 2020, America elects a president that actually supports the American dream.

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Adding to my earlier post on the relative desirability of impeachment/removal versus an anti-Trump landslide at the polls in 2020 –

There’s also the possibility that if impeachment and removal seems imminent, Trump might resign, and he and his co-conspirators are pardoned by Pence (unless Pence is one of those co-conspirators, in which case it gets really messy).

Anyway, another possible advantage of Trump not getting impeached or resigning, and instead getting crushed at the polls, is that if he completes his term without getting pardoned, he might be able to be prosecuted for Russia-related crimes once he’s out of office.

Of course it’s also possible that Trump gets crushed at the polls in 2020, then resigns and gets pardoned by Pence during the lame duck period. But that would mean getting rejected by the voters and then, by resigning, basically conceding some level of guilt (Trump supporters won’t see it that way, but most Americans will). Trump won’t want to do that, and would only do so if it looks likely that he would face prison on federal charges. But if Mueller has a strong case against him, and yet Congress hasn’t acted because the GOP remains in power, then Trump resigning near the end of his term in order to get a blanket pardon on his way out the door seems like a plausible scenario.

Overall, I’d still be pretty happy with that scenario, as it would involve a clear rejection by the public, as well as the disgrace of being forced to resign. And there will likely still be state charges that could be pursued against Trump and his cronies.

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