Discussion: Pelosi Defends Biden: He Just Meant That He's 'Worked Across The Aisle'

[kwd101]

No, it was today’s daily reminder of “if working with racists is so bad, then you just trashed a very good President who worked very well with a guy who worked with racists”

[cervantes]

@anthony

@ljb860

one old school corporate shill defending another.

You know nothing about my background. For your information, I am the very opposite of a corporate shill, and I resent the ad hominem attack on me. But not as much as I resent the attack on Biden. Are you a Republican troll?

Just FYI, the two “old school corporate shills” in question were Biden and Pelosi.

@ljb860 was not casting aspersions at you.

[jonney_5]

@maximus

It’s easy for all of us to armchair quarterback, but I wouldn’t take on Nancy Pelosi in a knife fight, and she has got a plan for Donnie, even if it’s death by 1,000 cuts.

I wouldn’t take on Pelosi in a knife fight either…

I fear that we are beyond knives and Pelosi and Joe are not able to transition.

[ljb860]

@anthony, you’re taking a comment re Biden and Nancy personally… sorry you are so sensitive as nothing I mentioned pointed towards you and/or your comments.

[txlawyer]

@kwd101

If Obama worked so well with Biden, and by all accounts grew close to Biden, then what is the fucking problem here?

The problem is that Biden did not just say that he has worked across the aisle, nor that he would be willing to do so if he is elected. The problem is that he singled out his past work with one of the most vile racists of all his former colleagues as an example of civility and a model for how the Senate would work under a President Biden.

[tena]

@causeforconcern

Because that one-way good faith becomes easily exploited.

For an example, just see Obama. Yeah it does get exploited and badly, That’s how we lost the SCOTUS.

[causeforconcern]

@maximus

I don’t disagree with the status quo, but I’m not ready to throw in the towel yet. Failure to work with opposing parties, however repugnant they may be, will kill this country as we know it.

I agree with that too. I just also want a candidate who acknowledges this balance of what we’re talking about and holds each truth in one of their hands when they weigh and decide when and why to compromise. Biden ain’t it.

[choska]

She isn’t cutting up John Dingell or some freshman Democrat. Actually, I take that back. Her inaction on Trump is definitely cutting up her fellow Democrats.

[chelsea530]

But it wasn’t by a veto-proof majority, was it?

[maximus]

@jonney_5

I fear that we are beyond knives and Pelosi and Joe are not able to transition.

But who is? Trump is an aberration no one has ever dealt with…

[cervantes]

@choska

He praised segregationists. There was no mischaracterization. And for everyone who says that FDR also worked with segregationists to pass the New Deal they are absolutely correct, and that’s why black people were largely excluded from the benefits of the New Deal.

Too true.

[anthony]

Yes, I see that now. I stand by my remarks that I resent even more Biden (and now evidently Pelosi) being labelled as corporate shills.

[cervantes]

@mrbugs21

Those segregationist dudes WERE DEMOCRATS! What aisle did he work across…the racist aisle?

You will wait but you will not get a response.

[chelsea530]

The republicans certainly don’t seem to be able to deal with him.

[chelsea530]

Hardly. It seems that the list of those who support impeachment is growing. That’s a good thing.

[gonzoc]

Fortunately, my daughter, who will cast her first vote in 2020, has no problem with Biden, nor do many of her friends and cohort. Know why? He was Obama’s VP for 8 years and they by and large remember him as the best President ever. Anyone who thinks he won’t be able to appeal to younger people, especially when you compare him against the greatest American jackass of all time, needs to recalibrate.

[littlegirlblue]

I could’ve gone further in my dislike for Biden by pointing out the old but still relevant part he played as chair of the Judiciary Committee and not holding Clarence’s feet to the fire. No, he ultimately didn’t vote for him. But neither did he fully support Hill because of his long winded speech making.

Also, no one should mistake my or presumably others’ criticisms of Biden as a statement of not voting for him if he’s the nominee. It’s what we must do to get the moron back to the high tower in NY.

[choska]

Lincoln “failed” to work with the morally repugnant and we survived. Everyone seems to only think about Lincoln as the guy who held the country together, but they forget that he aggressively fought the Civil War and kept firing McClellan until he found Grant and Sherman who would fight the war that had to be fought.

When one is defending the country then there is no shame in conflict. For many of us we see that we are on the verge of losing everything this country once claimed to stand for. We’ve got men, women, and children in concentration camps on the border, with GOP lawyers arguing that they shouldn’t even receive toothbrushes. In many ways the “country as we know it” is already dead.

[carolson]

Look, if Biden is who it takes, so be it. My guess is that SOMEONE near him will realize the importance of having young, diverse progressives in his cabinet. Also, as we all know, this is completely moot without the Senate. If we don’t win the Senate, then at least Joe will stop the fucking Trump judges - now who comprise 1 OUT OF 5. I’d prefer Warren myself but, give it a rest - we’re in a crisis and it’s shame someone else might not be able to win, but that’s where we are.

[littlegirlblue]

This opinion has it right, and I’ll take it further. There’s a belief that Biden has PA, which we lost narrowly in 2016, in the bag and that alone should give him the nomination. Expect to hear about this as we come closer.