George Carlin made a living in large part intentionally making fun of people’s religion, should he have been shot for it?
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It’s appalling to watch so many people defending the actions of these two, now dead, terrorists. I’m wondering if the same people would express the same feelings if a shootout broke out at a rally where American flags are being stomped on or set ablaze. Why, if you stomp on Old Glory you PROVOKE gun fire upon yourself, isn’t it right?
And, BTW, I’m not 100% sold on the attempt to equivocate here. Yes, shooting is wrong. Yes, we can and should still vilify this ridiculous anti-islam hate circus Geller ringleads. Yes, we can hold both positions without creating cognitive dissonance with our condemnation of this violence. BUT, I’m not 100% sold on the idea that this was the purest form of “free speech” here. Well known legal principles apply to words and acts intended to incite violence, and that’s absolutely what this “Mohammed cartoon contest” was. This wasn’t a Mohammed cartoon in the context of journalism, satire, political discourse or even parody. This was a deliberate attempt to teach hate and absolutely, undeniably intended to incite violence against this group in service to Geller’s paranoid delusional bigotry…BAIT, plain and simple, in hopes of “proving” a self-fulfilling prophecy. Such intent is abhorrent to the intent behind protecting most speech, and we’ve regularly upheld limitations on free speech where the speech at issue is expressly designed to incite breaches of the peace. So yeah, I’m not buying the “free speech free speech” crap here. This event was disturbing the peace, intended to do so and now that it has, they want to hide behind “free speech” as if it absolves them of any responsibility…culpability even…for the consequences of that speech. When you yell fire in a crowded theater, you don’t get to complain that people got trampled and then blame the people who panicked and trampled others.
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The religious fanatic’s answer is - YES, if it is my religion … NO, if it is my enemy’s religion
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And if anyone has not been introduced to the NRA philosophy, the above is IT. To a tee. Guns, guns, guns…the answer to every question. You got a problem with that? BLAMMO!
It’s appalling to have to listen to simple-minded, but deliberate, mischaracterizations of what it means when people condemn BOTH the shooters and the group they shot at. Nobody is claiming their behavior was excusable or justified. even where someone breaches the peace by inciting violence, the people who commit the violence are still culpable, and nobody is claiming otherwise. Criticism or condemnation of the people who incited that violence is in no way inconsistent with holding the violent actors accountable.
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Haha…classic…right up there with his “but I’ll be sober in the morning” line haha
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Wonder what happened to make her so hateful.
Go to her website Atlas Shrugged and just scroll down. Pam is seriously mentally ill.
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Things that can be bent by a Geller.
Her website told me more than I need to know or cared to, but she said this in response to the TX shooting
“The media is self-enforcing a Shariah,” she said, referring to Islamic law. “Under the Shariah you cannot criticize or offend Islam.”
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Islamists aren’t the only ones who find freedom offensive. A PPP national survey recently conducted found that an unsurprising 57% of Republicans want to trash our Constitution and establish Christianism as the state religion.
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What noxious right-wing bullshit.
And your continued reliance on assorted logical fallacies to back up your non-existent argument is hilarious.
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Go away. Nobody is defending the gunmen. Most everybody is criticizing geller for her provoking violence. Learn how to comprehend, OK?
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I wonder if the guard who was unarmed will be suing Geller. Seems appropriate to me.
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All the event organizers wanted to do was incite violence. Mission Accomplished! They must be so proud.
Carlin criticized the institution of religion, whereas Geller is an ill-tuned one-note player:
She hates Muslims.
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Well, of course truly spiritual people wouldn’t rise to Pam Geller’s bait, but religious extremists aren’t truly spiritual–they’re dogmatic and riddled with hate and the urge to violence. It is morally wrong and should be a crime to incite crazy, violent people to be crazy and violent. The fact that I condemn her for doing that does not make me a terrorist.
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Pam, you are to blame for the deaths of those men. I repeat. You are to blame for the deaths of those men. You might as well have hired those gunmen the way you set this up. It worked out just the way you wanted it to. You are to blame for the deaths of those men.
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I think the only thing she is a true believer in is more attention for Pam Geller. Hatred is just her schtick.
Gun fire seems to be the right response in wacko land. I think you must come from there. I am a veteran who volunteered during Viet Nam to avoid being drafted. I have no problem with anyone stomping on our flag. Our flag is a symbol, not a human being or even a nation of human beings. Did you serve? Do you respect freedom?
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