They have said they want assurances they won’t be arrested
Wait, what’s that? I thought you all were ready to die for “freedom” and patriotism…and now you’re just begging to stay out of jail. I’m so disillusioned!
Defense attorneys have said their clients engaged in civil disobedience and are being punished for political speech.
The first part of “civil disobedience” is civil. I think someone doesn’t know what that means.
“It’s amazing how little the supporters of the takeover know regarding the grand jury system. Their comments on any of the daily stories at The Oregonian are so ignorant and wrong regarding the workings of the system, including those coming from some of the lawyers.”
The lawyers are just defending their clients. Stupid clients often require stupid defense counsel statements. And paranoid clients’ counsel statements sometimes reflect that paranoia.
“That’s an unusual thing and it’s unfortunate in a case like this, where many of the people distrust the government to begin with,” Hay said.
Those dastardly bastards! Insensitivity to the paranoid by federal prosecutors is the height of beyond-the-paleness.
“Defense attorneys have said their clients engaged in civil disobedience and are being punished for political speech. They say the only use of force during the standoff was by police,…”
Uhh… No
Isn’t part of civil disobedience getting arrested for and having it adjudicated in a court of law?
It’s interesting if you read the Facebook pages where these folks hang out. The III%ers think Blaine is an informant for the FBI and they have completely turned on him.
Maybe. But destroying government property, threatening local officials while carrying weapons isn’t very civil. They’re not being charged for protesting without a license by any means. Or for mere squatting on public property.
Only one?
The lawyers know perfectly well how the grand jury system works. Their statements are just aimed at riling up the ignorant sympathizers to keep the pot boiling.
That’s a convoluted way to go about riling ignorant sympathizers. Just look them in the eye and tell them Mountain Dew and beef jerky are for sissies.
Yeah, that is really the defenses only shot here is political speech. It is hard to argue that though. Given the threats of violence around the area and such. Not to mention the first amendment does not mean that one has free reign to break the law as they choose. One cannot break into somebodies house and then claim they were making a statement about burglery as a defense.
They are clearly guilty of the charges against them and others aside. Just like other protests that have gotten out of hand. Their expression of their first amendment rights is not why they are being arrested. If the government arrested them for their opinions than it is a problem, but this is not that.
Speedy trial refers to the time between arrest and trial, not between crime committed and trial.
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In a separate matter, an attorney for Shawna Cox — a defendant allowed to return home to Utah as her case goes through the court system — asked Wednesday for her client to be allowed to attend Finicum’s funeral on Friday. The funeral is in the same town where Cox lives.
Finicum lived in Arizona, right? Why’s his funeral in Utah? Is that, like, where Mormons desire to be buried?
Defense attorneys have said their clients engaged in civil disobedience and are being punished for political speech.
Assho!es. An armed takeover is not and has never been an act of civil disobedience. Republicans have such little experience protesting things, it takes them a while to get up to speed on how those things work.
Yes, but you don’t resist arrest, that is not Civil. When some of the OWS people started whining and resisting arrest, they went from civil disobedience to stupid. You turn people against you when you get stupid. The whole idea of civil disobedience is that the public (media, etc.) watch you PEACEFULLY get arrested for your cause, and by doing that you will get sympathy for your cause (obviously the cause must be legit too).
These assholes are in no way practicing Civil Disobedience, and make the people from OWS (who resisted arrest and whined) look like angels. This is in fact the opposite of Civil Disobedience. This is armed resistance, and it has indeed had the opposite effect of what these clowns wanted. They have turned most of the country against them for acting like thugs. And they deserve not only to be arrested for it, they also deserve to see their cause get hurt big time, to the point where most people are totally against them.
Not amazing at all. Their entire worldview is predicated on fundamental misunderstanding of the legal system and basis of government.
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Isn’t part of civil disobedience getting arrested for and having it adjudicated in a court of law?
[/quote] This is what I mean by Republicans not being well practiced in the sorts of protests that those on the left have been engaging in for decades. “Civil disobedience” means something very specific. It does not mean an armed occupation punctuated by a high-speed car chase. That’s just plain old criminal activity, not civil disobedience.
Ain’t that the friggin truth? Similar to Trump supporters
And at least one will become Fox News Analyst. And all them will set up gofundme accounts.
“”""“That’s an unusual thing and it’s unfortunate in a case like this, where many of the people distrust the government to begin with,” Hay said."""""
I think the attorneys in here will agree that the sentiments of these clowns are not mitigating and no one is obliged to consider or adjust to them. They have no merit outside of heads of these idiots.
Licentiousness and anarchy get a bad rap.