Discussion: Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan Announces 2020 Presidential Run

It’s official: A majority of Democrats in Congress are running for president.

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Good luck with that, Rep. Ryan… Your insurrection was not forgotten :angry:

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Is it too obvious to suggest that Michael Tracey should be his VP pick?

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So true. House dems are providing much needed oversight as the co-equal branch of the government–“we didn’t ask you for your tax returns, Donald”–and this work is important–and it’s just the start. So if you aren’t participating in dem oversight, Ryan, what do you have to offer, hmmm?

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when Brown ascends as Harris’s VP…

my dream ticket

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I think it’s becoming clear that some section of the Democratic Party thinks that White constituents are either being ignored or under represented. If you’re on Twitter (which I am), right now “Mayor Pete” is getting dragged because of his pro WWC stance at the expense of PoC (see his firing of the first Black Chief of Police in South Bend).

If Tim Ryan couldn’t beat Madame Speaker, he has NO ability to break through a cluster of good Dem presidential hopefuls who are more experienced and better representatives of the Dem Party.

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We’re all Elvis on this bus.

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Well, won’t this be a hoot …

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At least the cat’s not an independent …

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Knee-jerk much? This guy is an asshole who needs to fuck off because he’s an asshole who needs to fuck off, not because he’s a white man.

We SHOULD be paying attention to white rural middle class men. They’re why Trump is our fucking POTUS right now. Precisely nobody, even this Ryan douche, is arguing or would argue that attention paid to them must be at the exclusion of other groups.

Because . . . this.

If he can win, who hasn’t got a shot at it?

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Yep. Harris will do well where Democratic support is growing. Brown will do well where the party is shrinking…

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LOL Reminds me of the KY Lottery slogan…“Somebody’s gotta win. Might as well be you.”

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White male Democratic congressmen from Ohio should be seen and not heard.

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Who is saying this? I don’t see that at all. Ryan is an arrogant clown and this is all a vanity thing for him. That being said, the geographic happenstance of a candidate’s local constituency isn’t automatically defining of what they’d run on or consider important when seeking national office. Fact is, urban middle class voters and POC are NOT the only people getting fucked int he ass by 50 years of plutocratic white nationalist conservative bullshit and any Dem candidate who fails to carefully articulate a message of unity recognizing that fact, assuring EVERYONE that this isn’t a zero sum game in which attention to one means lack of attention to the other, is going to fail miserably in the general. That goes for the Dem/liberal voters and movement as well. If the message from the ground up is heard across the country, particularly the midwest, as a resounding “fuck white men, it’s so-and-so’s turn and you’re going to have to wait in line while we help everyone else first for once” then welcome to Trump’s second term.

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Sherrod brown is not running for the '20 presidential bid. He’s focused on his seat in OH and thank the risen Lord for that. Right now, he might be the only Dem in OH who can hold onto that Senate seat.

Hence, the reason that Ryan is in the race now. he’s the de-facto Brown.

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Perfect illustration of the message that will elect Trump in 2020.

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I thought it’s long past April Fools’ Day.

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Where the Democratic Party is now in terms of demographics is pretty much where I thought they’d be after 2016. I’m not saying it’s an optimal place to be but this is the reality of the situation we find ourselves in.

Fact is, urban middle class voters and POC are NOT the only people getting fucked int he ass by 50 years of plutocratic white nationalist conservative bullshit and any Dem candidate who fails to carefully articulate a message of unity recognizing that fact, assuring EVERYONE that this isn’t a zero sum game in which attention to one means lack of attention to the other, is going to fail miserably in the general.

White rural men haven’t shown that they care about Dem prescription that will better their lives. Our P/VP candidates will try but I’m pretty sure it’ll fall on deaf ears. In fact, those are the people who definitely believe that life is a zero sum game and won’t let go of that.

Ask any Midwest farmer who’s been quoted as saying we still need to give Rump a chance. As their land is under 5 feet of stagnant water and the surplus crop that they were storing in silos are ruined.

ETA: Rump isn’t getting re-elected. His base has been distilled down to it’s essential core and there just aren’t enough of them.

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Then we’ve lost already. Enjoy 6 more years of this shit.

I disagree with your use of the anecdotal midwest farmer. It’s our job to message correctly to reach these people or we’re not doing it right. Some aren’t going to be reached, like perhaps that farmer, but there are millions of others who CAN be.convinced. Obama convinced them, but then Hillary didn’t. This entire attitude that we can write off an entire voting bloc out of resentment towards them needs to die a horrible idea-death. Focusing on “everyone else” and sending even the implicit message that white rural men and their families are going to be left in the lurch while everyone else gets “their turn” is just about the stupidest message any Dem candidate could send in 2020. And the attitude that we should message the way we want and demand that people understand it and accept it in the manner we tell them to, rather than trying to brand and package our ideas so that they do so on their own, is one of the fundamental, consistently repeated mistakes we make as liberals. It needs to stop.

Oh, then I guess we can just screw around and insult or ignore whoever we want then and not worry about giant swaths of voters feeling like we’ve written them off or want to put their issues on hold while we address everyone else’s first. Phew. No need for any strategy at all. We already won and the real election is the Dem primary, so everyone please make sure to put all your hopes as deeply as possible into the primary candidate of your choice and demonize the others as much as possible, because whoever wins the primary is smooth-sailing to the WH. This is good to know. I thought elections were hard, complicated affairs with often surprising and unexpected turns of direction, but this shit is going to be easy.

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