Discussion: Obama: Trump's Claims About Rising Crime Rates Don't 'Jive With The Facts'

[system1]

Obama: Trump's Claims About Rising Crime Rates Don't 'Jive With The Facts' Back to article

[wagonmound]

Absolutely true, but irrelevant, because the great unwashed of this country would rather believe the blatherings of a draft dodging coward and asshole loser than facts.

[lew]

“Facts are Stupid Things”. Ronald Reagan

It is a real quote. He was trying to repeat John Adams’ statement about facts being stubborn things and mis-remembered.

[smiley]

Oh stewardess, I speak jive!

(apologies to June Cleaver!)

[meri]

…and this is why Democrats lose when they should have an overwhelming majority at pretty much all times.

What Trump is doing is LYING. He is not saying things that don’t jibe with the facts. HE IS LYING.

“Jibe with the facts” is weak kneed politician speak.

LYING is a statement of fact.

[jsfox]

So what you are saying is; we should lie louder and more?

[jsfox]

Nothing Trump says jives with facts. Sadly a large number of people in this country stopped caring about facts awhile ago. They scream Hillary is a liar and criminal while fully embracing the never ending stream of actual lies and actual criminal behavior by Trump.

[woland66]

I’m not sure what you are suggesting: Democrats should lie more and to win they should lie more than Republicans?

[meri]

Nope. I’m saying you call a lie a lie. You don’t call it a “misstatement” you don’t say “that doesn’t really fit the facts” you don’t say “kinda sort not true”.

There is a word for what Trump does. And it’s “lying”.

Don’t puss around and call it something else.

[redrasputinmn]

[quote=“meri, post:5, topic:40883”]
…and this is why Democrats lose when they should have an overwhelming majority at pretty much all times.

What Trump is doing is LYING. He is not saying things that don’t jibe with the facts. HE IS LYING.
[/quote]Exactly why I clicked through to comment. And Obama is in a position to say this directly, since he has both the biggest bullhorn and a term limit. (I hate that amendment under any circumstances, and with Trump, I hate it more than usual.) A beat reporter for the AP can draw a bias accusation and lose his assignment; Obama has no such drawbacks.

[upwitoulz]

Did he really say “jive” or is that just TPM’s usual shoddiness?
Please don’t let it be two strikes against the president on the same day. It’s been a tough week already.

[jsfox]

We do call it a lie. The press and the liar are the ones who call it a misstatement.

[centralasiaexpat]

I know… I was thinking about the “jive talk” moment from 8 years ago.

[irasdad]

“President Barack Obama refuted the ‘vision of violence and chaos’ that Donald Trump offered.”

Trump has made a calculated decision to campaign as the candidate of Poe’s Law and Order.

[jsfox]

Obama actually said jibe not jive.

[meri]

I am not talking about you. I’m talking about Obama. The guy with the biggest microphone in the world.

[frankly_my_dear]

@meri

There is a word for what Trump does. And it’s “lying”.

Here you go:

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/21/crime-statistics-trumps-acceptance-speech-lies.html

[fgs]

There’s probably still an increasing rate of filming crimes on cell phone cameras. There’s probably still an increasing rate of people getting way too much of their information from You Tube.

[upwitoulz]

I hope you wouldn’t lie to me about something that important, JS. I honestly don’t think I can take anymore and it’s only July.

[dickweed]

Freudian slip, I’d say.