Obama is working on a short time line. If this investigation is not completed and the results disclosed before January 20 it will never see the light of day.
If you’re right, what is the practical result of delegitimizing the Trump cabal? The GOP has a lock on Congress, has declared a mandate, and proudly announced that it is full speed ahead on their crusade to repeal every social safety net program since the New Deal. That is the real threat to the country, and I don’t see them slowing down just because Trump might be an illegitimate president.
hey, matt. hacking voting results and machines from the outside seems unlikely to me. been in computer industry since 1974. more likely is software changes in individual machines, by say a diebold geek.
It would be a popular and respected two-term President putting his imprimatur on the assertion that the incoming occupant won in part because of the completely unprecedented, illegitimate and illegal assistance of an unfriendly foreign power. It would stiffen the spine of the resistance every decent person is going to need to show. It makes it personal and it says I, Barack Obama, believe this to be the case.
It is possible that the voting machines where hacked. It is also possible that Comet Ping Pong was running a sex slave operation. The odds of either of these things being true, though, are extremely low. To talk about voting machine hacking as a 50/50, pick whichever side you want to believe kind of thing is preposterous.
This is the exact same mental blinders that Republicans utilize when denying global warming and so many other things. Aren’t Democrats better than that?
This is exactly the opposite of denying climate change - some of the foremost election security experts have raised grave concerns about the integrity of our elections. Here, by bring up Comet Ping Pong, you are equating them to Breitbart.
I have zero technical knowledge—just trying to sort out scenarios in my own mind and imagine what the tea leaves suggest about what’s going on behind the scenes with this. I think and said manipulation of the actual results is the least likely. But even if it were impossible, elections have been tampered with before. And we have an unprecedentedly amoral candidate who’s a known projector yelling for months about a rigged system. Odd questions, as noted, about certain states and districts. I’m keeping an open mind.
trump and his whole crew are willing to win by any nefarious means available. look into it all. i said on election night something was wrong. keep digging.
Sen. Graham has also spoken out about not supporting McConnell’s efforts to end the filibuster. He may also be able to persuade his good friend and long-time colleague Sen. McCain.
I applaud his efforts to be honest to the people and support principle over party. We are going to need principled Republicans now more than ever.
I agree with you on that point, but that does not do anything to avoid or even slow the disaster that the GOP Congress has already announced. As @birdford pointed out upthread, Trump will tweet :“Dishonest media and sore loser Crooked Hillary are trying to blame my overwhelming victory on Russian hackers - SAD!,” the story will die, and the GOP will continue to destroy everything that violates its rabid ideology.
My cynicism and disgust are following the same course as the post-election stock market, setting record highs on a daily basis. So that’s my Debbie Downer story, and I’m sticking to it.
I’d bet there are some very bright people in the UK who feel the same. Now if only we can help Italy and Germany have their own “Trump Moment” before it’s too late for them, too.
Nope, the correct answer would be impeach and replace. If you don’t do that, your feedback loop (which is the heart of the value-add that democracy provides) would have failed and then it becomes a matter of which camp can impose their will by force, and we all know how that story play out.
I would agree that this country is facing a key test of its core structures over the next couple of years, and frankly I’m not all that confident that we’re not going to suffer some serious consequences before sorting this out, but we can’t criticize folks for not following and/or believing in the system if we’re not willing to follow it and believe in it ourselves.
Personally, I hope to see some serious regrets from the Red State folks who made this happen once they see what it really means for them, and I hope that this can lead to some serious reforms (abolish the Electoral College and maybe break the fixed four year election cycle with some form of “no confidence motion” mechanism, anyone?) but the bottom line is we can’t just say “the outcome is reprehensible, so burn it all down”. That’s been the attitude that got us here, so I don’t personally see any value in perpetuating it it any further.
In other words “Instructions for getting out of a hole - Step 1, stop digging…”
Hacking voting machines, which are not “online” is difficult, but doable. Hacking voter registration records to prevent people from being elegible to vote is far easier and much of that information is public record.
