Discussion: NYT: Trump Lawyer John Dowd Floated Pardons For Flynn And Manafort

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Well, of course he did!


“But where *are* Trump’s ducks?”
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Wow, all they need now is a conviction, which requires all that discovery and evidence presented in court.

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This really isn’t the place for this comment but here it is anyway.

Putin’s recent string of assassinations is clearly a reminder to some that the FSB knows how to shut you up permanently if you were to entertain any ideas about cooperating with any agency involved in the investigation of their American assets.

But if you were an American player in this game it’s basically a free shot at someone you may want silenced for other reasons. Because if Manefort; Cage; Page; ad naseum turn up dead, Vlad’s going to get the blame regardless of who did it.

Either way, I don’t expect the life expectancy of any of these guys to range much further beyond the current investigation. In fact it might be the only thing keeping them alive at this point.

My comments should not be misinterpreted as intending or promoting harm to anyone, but rather a realistic assessment that some bad actors will sleep more peacefully once these pieces are taken off the playing field.

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Trump Lawyer John Dowd Floated Pardons For Flynn And Manafort

Why ah do declayah, this is shocking news.

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I gotta give Dowd more credit than I have to date. I’ve always thought he was the dumb one because of his bombastic actions and irascible temper and Cobb was the more even keeled strategic hand.

I now think Dowd actually sees Trump as he is: a crook who is in it like it’s nobody’s business. I think he has looked into the campaign’s contacts with Russia and knows the answers are not good when you look under the hood. With Cobb, I think his position is that all that Russia collusion stuff is very complicated and he’s not going to get too deeply involved and would rather lean on plausible deniability and let Mueller take others out if he has the goods. His focus will be on obstruction, which is a more traditional risk based on our history.

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Someone always floats a pardon in the punchbowl.

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Mueller to Spanky the Prez: Tooooooooooooooooooooo late.

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Not only do they end up dead but it’s not a shot to the head. It’s plutonium tea, baseball bat, nerve agents etc. Nothing quick.

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Between this and the news of Gates, Manafort and “Person A”… why now? Who is sourcing this and why?

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Yes, you beat me to it. Who is the leaker and why now?

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OT, but in the future, I would appreciate if TPM headline writers avoid putting “Mueller” and “filing” near each other. It’s a little too easy to misread “filing” as a different, very similar word and it made my heart skip a beat when I first read it in the Editor’s Blog.

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If Trump pardons Flynn and Manafort, they can’t hide behind the 5th if called upon to testify. That leaves Trump more vulnerable, not less.

If Trump starts pardoning people. he’d better hope the next POTUS pardons him. Even then, he’ll be exposed to state-level action.

He is so screwed.

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Don’t forget the polonium umbrella, but yeah… these guys are toast.

I used to have a Roman History Prof who talked about the fate of those abusing the sanctity of the Tribune, and how if you violated their person ‘knives would be taken out and sharpened all over Rome, in anticipation of a consequence-free killing’.

It’s one thing to have no friends, it’s another thing entirely to be seen as having more value when dead.

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This happened to me, too. I about shat floated a pardon in my pants this morning.

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As usual, Trump just “believes” shit. But, If he truly believed that the case against Flynn was flimsy, a pardon shouldn’t be nevessary.

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Ditto.

Don’t know about Flynn – but it is my understanding the state of New York is on Muellers wagon train circling Manafort - and state convictions are immune to federal pardons… somehow, I don’t think Gov Como will be in a pardoning mood

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Dowd does not seem to be the brightest star in the legal firmament.

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Whiny’s brand new lawyer who “knows what he’s doing,” meets the Mueller investigation

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