They’ll have a chance to rehabilitate as good people once they give up their christo-fascist dreams.
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“We want to oppress women, but we don’t want it in an ad.”
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This really exposes the lie at the heart of this whole argument. They have to make this contorted Animal Farm rule around abortion because it’s not really cut-and-dried like they want to pretend. “All human life is sacred. Except when created through rape.”
The purity stance is the only one that’s logically consistent, but it’s also horrendously cruel to the living, breathing survivor and that makes it generally untenable as a hill to die on policywise. And as @daulphin pointed out, the law ignoring “test-tube babies” just further exposes to lunacy of the entire argument. Either they’re sacred or they’re not. You can’t have it both ways, depending on how awkward it is to make the argument (and that doesn’t even address the fact that human-induced abortion is a tiny fraction of the total fertilized eggs that never come to term).
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What AL, GA & MO laws will achieve is to move the “overton window”, after these laws the “moderate” position would be to ban abortion with the rape and incest exception and sans the 99-year jail term for providers. And that is what will happen, kiss Roe goodbye.
Shame on all those women passively watching their rights being eroded, hoping that they never find themselves in the situation. Worse all those women (I personally know a couple) that had abortions in their youth, and now are campaining to take away the right from others.
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So Daddy can destroy the evidence of his, um, pecker-dillo.
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Someone asked in another thread how to motivate young people to vote. Explain to them what Republicans are doing with abortion laws. Explain that they want to eliminate birth control and criminalize miscarriages. Explain that means sex will come with consequences for them. And if they get pregnant or get someone pregnant, their higher education choices are going to be nearly impossible. Wouldn’t hurt for rap stars or popular artists mention this at concerts or have a short message before their music video plays.
If that dosen’t motivate them to vote, kids have changed from when I was young.
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The GOP understands power and politics in a way dems have forgotten.
The dems should roll out an ad immediately depicting a man who has raped and impregnated his own daughter and tag with the line, “Republicans want this rapist to have more rights than his 12 year old victim.”
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“So we have never considered incest to be rape, although rape can happen during incest.”
That’s what gets me confused. Rape and incest are overlapped and it’s kind of weird to make them seem like two separate exceptions. I think rape during incest (and in marriage/relationship, for that matter) should be called for what it is and the criminal should get the same punishment (I assume it’s more harsh but not sure).
As for the biological reason against incest, I understand it but wouldn’t it be too generous for those willingly participating in incest? I mean, they can get in a consensual sexual relationship and get abortions whenever they like based on the “incest” claim (I doubt many people would do that, but it’s possible).
Explaining isn’t likely to work. What will make a difference is Roe v. Wade being overturned, these laws coming into effect, and actual consequences happening.
The theoretical is hard to explain to people who have never experienced a time when it was illegal.
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In Alabama they are fine with that.
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Exactly. It’s not a bug , it’s a feature.
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What Alabama’s abortion law will do is motivate women to vote. Thanks for helping with the blue tsunami GOP.
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That’s why the GOP culpability in Alabama’s law must be nationalized.
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Threaten their smartphones.
Or Internet porn.
Maybe fast food.
Something like that.
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You expect the women (and men) that vote for Trump to change their mind because abortion?
The thing about having PP as president is that he’s unleashed the very ugliest of Republicanism. While that absolutely damages plenty of liberal causes, I think it will ultimately do far greater damage to Conservatism. Look at how these racists feel emboldened to call the police on innocent minorities or simply harass the shit out of them. Look at these militia groups that keep trying to deputize themselves as Border Patrol Agents. While I haven’t seen any numbers, police brutality certainly seems worse than it ever was. PP has unleashed them even if it wasn’t expressly stated, he’s made it crystal clear what he wants. So, in some respects, you can (almost) hardly blame legislators across this country for going all in on decades of Republican promises. When you listen to the way he describes abortion, if you didn’t know what the medical procedure actually was, it makes sense that folks would think it was imperative to stop it in all forms. He’s precisely what would happen if the very worst, most batshit, delusional Republican in the nether regions of the internet became president. He never got the memo that the rhetoric was supposed to mostly be all for show, that you’re never supposed to actually give them what you’re promising. He never understood that actually giving in to their most base beliefs was cryptonite for the party itself. And these sycophantic legislators haven’t gotten that memo either. Something tells me they’ll be getting it come next November. Along with a pink slip.
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You are not being put in charge of youth outreach.
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Even simpler. Run ads about the 11-year-old girl in Argentina forced to give birth, tagline, “this Will happen here”
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Actually, this law has them nervous because they keep thinking “What happens if I knock up my mistress?”
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It’s very much in keeping with the anti-vax craze. I’ve only ever read about polio, mumps and measles. I don’t have a personal connection to people affected by them in the past. Since the majority of the younger generations don’t have that exposure, they underestimate the threat these diseases pose and they imagine that “modern medicine” will mitigate things even if someone does get infected (though they don’t trust the vaccines).
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