Discussion: New Fox News Poll Shows Biden, Bernie Beating Trump By At Least Nine Points

Yeah, but he already knows the truth. Firing his internal pollsters is a joke also, since Trump must have been complicit in Manafort handing over polling data about the key battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Minnesota to the Ruskies.

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Funny how the drop in support for Biden isn’t mentioned. He’s down at least 7. He can’t hide much longer.

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“Polls are never, ever predictive.
They are always a snapshot in time, and they can show trends.”

yeah, and then 2 weeks out and along comes big jim comey, and they are totally FUBAR. thanks comey.

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" imagining the pitter-patter of panic it must be inducing in the tiny, undersized heart of Sean Hannity "

undersized heart? facts not in evidence, counselor.

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This Jim Comey, she says in a high, squeaky voice…

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@outis @joejim

I agree Warren’s (or Trump’s) ancestry is a ridiculous topic, but it will be brought up again and again by Trump despite his 11K lies if she is the candidate. That one lie is equal politically to Trump’s 11K lies in the minds of my neighbors, one of whom put out a big Confederate flag for Flag Day.
Patriotic, no?

It is not “over and done” nor “listed as part of her ancestry” (see below). She implied full Cherokee, including cultural aspects of the tribe. From what I have seen, the Cherokee Nation was not happy, and "tribal sovereignty and tribal citizenship and harm that resulted” was in her apology. Good for her.

Politically it still needs to be addressed, if she is the candidate. But in the primary, it also needs to be addressed, for what is her response to Trump if she is the candidate? Some local primary Dems want to know around here. Most Dems do not see this as an issue, but Repubs, some Indies, and a few Dems do want to hear that reply. Ignoring the issue will not make it go away.

Posted only to politely refute ‘part of ancestry’

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We are so over Bernie. Both my millennial kids are sick of him: just antagonistic, selfish, argumentative, a yeller not a leader. I was kinda stunned really, they got all het up.

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She should address this issue one time. For me it is more that she apologized to the Native American community but in 1986 she very likely believed that she had Native American heritage. It was family lore. I do genealogy and I cannot tell you how many folks believe they are part N.A… So far I have not found anyone with either the DNA nor a paper trail to verify a claim. Most of these things are family stories passed along through generations. This is how she could explain it and then it is done.

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FWIW, Nate Silver’s 538 rates Fox News polls as an “A” and Quinnipiac as an “A-.” Josh sees Fox News as trustworthy too, IIRC.

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I don’t want Bernie or Biden, but when it comes down to it, I vote for anyone that doesn’t have an “R” after their name. Wasn’t a Clinton fan, even though I think she’s smart and could run circles around tRump, but, of course, she got my vote.
I do worry that if tRump actually is on the ballot against a woman he will treat them in ways too disgusting to think about at this point. Still hoping he won’t be able to run for whatever reason.

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I fully expect him to insult the female candidates’ bra sizes.

My impression was that they reduced number of pollsters in order to reduce leaks of the bad numbers. Although it would be very interesting to see if the folks with the worst numbers were the ones that got the axe.

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Just up the street from me. Good read and thx for posting. Here in GA-6 we got Lucy McBath elected. We’re purplish and getting bluer.

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I would agree. I know more white folks that claim Cherokee than I have fingers. But what is her answer when Trump brings it up again and again? That is my question.

Is her response possibly, “It was family lore. I have apologized to the Cherokee Nation and they have accepted my apology (have they?). I will not comment further.”

Sounds legit, and possibly a decent political response. Has she said this? Serious question.

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If that is the actual listing, it is a bit more of a problem, but people make mistakes. Every candidate will have something.

Edit: In this particular case, it would not appear to be a falsehood that gains advantage, and thus perhaps merely over enthusiasm for the family tradition. (I also think it is tricky for her to claim, as I have heard elsewhere, American Indian heritage rather than merely an element of American Indian ancestry. Heritage is cultural, and not simply DNA.)

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True, but in the first 45 days since it was released nobody cares who’s read it or not, I don’t think having actually read the thing will resonate as some big plus. Trump got out in front of it before reading anything and successfully branded it as a complete exoneration, and it remains exactly that for millions of voters.

Trump’s numbers never go up against any of them. The distance between the lesser knowns just distribution themselves across the “don’t know,” “wouldn’t vote” or “someone else” categories, making them the very people advertising is intended to reel back in.

She can also respond by outlining how her policies will help the tribes. She could also cite stats about the rapes of N.A. women and disappearances of N.A. women. What is the Trump administration doing about the unique issues facing N.A. tribes? In some places-North Dakota- members are not allowed to vote due the reservations lack of a street addresses. Talk about the Trail of Tears and his favorite/mentor President Andrew Jackson’s role in it. His own public testimony about tribal casinos was particularly bad as he did not believe they were all N.A. because they did not look Indian to him. His own casinos were under water and he did not want competition. There are plenty of ways she can explain a misinformed decision to claim N.A. heritage and how it advantaged her while repeating her apology for the mistake. Tell the truth and refuse to engage in his disparaging of Pocahontas

ETA: from Wikipedia
Although the effort was vehemently opposed by some, including U.S. Congressman Davy Crockett of Tennessee, President Andrew Jackson was able to gain Congressional passage of the Indian Removal Act of 1830, which authorized the government to extinguish Indian title to lands in the Southeast.

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I think that is a viable tactic.
Now, let’s hear it from Warren.

cheers

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I’m still waiting for Harris to live up to her hype. Her MSNBC Town Hall was a disaster in my opinion. Poorly thought out, term paper-length answers to questions she should long since have prepared to be asked! She does not have a mellifluous voice either, which tells me she is not aware it needs work. These things matter more than anyone realizes.

Her first, out-of-the-gate issue a couple months ago? Reparations! Good grief, is she not doing ANY homework at all? I am disappointed so far.

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