Discussion: Netanyahu Warns Hamas On Rejecting Truce

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Ohhhhhhh, BiBi LeStrange is a happy guy! He’s bombing Palestinians, and knows he’ll get to bomb whatever Palestinians are left when they don’t knuckle under.

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Yes, if only there were some way to stop him–you know, other than Hamas accepting the cease-fire (or as you put it, “knuckling under”).

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Oh no, what’s he going to do this time…conquer their lands then leave it a cratered moonscape after he’s done, enslave their people, limit their movements, bulldoze their homes then not allow them building materials, not let them work, bomb them randomly, assassinate police captains, and then claim they’re “free” as long as they do exactly what he tells them?

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By the way, Collective Punishment is outlawed by the Fourth Geneva Convention. (Section 1, Article 33)

Israel is signatory to this particular Convention.

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So, Bibi likes to bomb Palestinians, yet he is accepting a cease fire that prevents him from doing that? Seems you are smoking something other than the GOTP.

And can anyone enlighten me on Hamas’ strategery here? Is their belief that if they just rain enough rockets that fail to land on Israel, then Bibi will resign and invite Hamas to form the next government of Israel and turn it into an Islamic state and run it as well as they run Gaza. Yes, that is an excellent strategy. Carry on.

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From Cohen’s article in the the NYT:

Sheldon Adelson’s right-wing Israel Hayom, the biggest-selling newspaper in Israel, has called for Gaza to be “returned to the Stone Age.”
Netanyahu called the Israeli teenagers’ killers “human animals.” The liberal daily Haaretz rightly observed: “Abu Khdeir’s murderers are not ‘Jewish extremists.’ They are the descendants and builders of a culture of hate and vengeance.”

Strange, I don’t recall Bibi saying the same about the Israeli killers who burned the Palestinian teen alive.

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Other than stopping the current murder of Palestinians, what will the proposed cease fire accomplish?

The Palestinians will still live in the world’s largest prison, have land stolen from them, be systematically starved, have settlements expanded around them, be the victims of a blockade of food and building supplies, have PA funds stolen by the Israeli government, be subject to humiliation and torture by IDF troops, have water be used as a weapon against them, etc., etc,. etc.

And then, when “provoked”, Israel will simply “mow the grass”, again.

Israelis are comfortable with the current circumstances. Other than the occasional air raid prompted by ineffectual and impotent rockets, Israeli life goes on, as always. The erected barriers mean that the average Israeli is not impacted at all by the subjugation of the Palestinians.

Where is the incentive for Israelis to seek peace? The status quo is perfectly acceptable. Why change? Besides, the current Israeli regime is comprised of those extremists who want to see greater death and destruction visited upon the Palestinians. They know that the opportunity is always there to do so.

Hamas is merely the useful idiot of the Israeli regime. However, were Hamas to agree to a cease fire, nothing would change except the current Israeli bombardment. There will always be a pretext for Israeli violence and the taking of evermore lives and land.

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And what is Hamas’ plan? Israel is in the position it is because they developed a thriving high-tech economy. Make all the excuses you like, but the reality is that neither Hamas, nor any other Arab regime (with the possible exception of Dubai and Qatar) have made any significant progress towards improving their citizens’ lives.

Crying and lamenting about how bad the other guys are only gets you so far. At some point, you need a strategy to change things for the better and I see none on the Palestinian side, particularly from Hamas…

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If Hamas so so helpful to Israel, then wouldn’t it be useful if instead of implicitly supporting it, people like you condemned it for what it is?

Leaving the end goal of a two-state solution aside, Israel only adopted the blockade after Hamas took over, and it’s position has always been based on Hamas’ intransigence. Things are not great in the West Bank, but are far better than in Gaza. Hamas is a huge part of the problem, long term.

and short term, of course, Israel has accepted the cease fire, Hamas rejected it. So when one side rejects a cease fire and one side accepts it, most people would say that the blame for the continuing violence belongs on the side that calls for continuing the violence.

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Hamas is the elected government of Gaza, and, as such, they have a moral obligation to devise a strategy with some chance of succeeding to protect and advance the lives the of their citizens. Simply continuing on a course proven not to work is not a morally tenable plan for them or their people.

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No, he condemned them in different words. Are you going to be so pedantic as to complain because instead of using that particular phrase, he said:

Such murderers have no place in Israeli society,”

and made various other critical remarks?

Read more: No place in Israel for Abu Khdeir’s killers, Netanyahu says | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/no-place-in-israel-for-abu-khdeirs-killers-netanyahu-says/#ixzz37Xy0cVgZ
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You’re like the Republicans sitting around parsing every statement of Obama’s “He said 'act of terror,” not “terrorist act…”

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However, the Geneva Convention does not in any way prevent military operations in civilian areas, as long as reasonable efforts are made to prevent civilian casualties, which Israel has been doing, and which the rate of fatalities in proportion to the number of airstrikes demonstrates. It is not “collective punishment” to launch airstrikes at military units operating from civilian areas.

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Yes, what is that monster Bibi going to do…oh, right, accept a cease-fire.

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The planet will be a barren wasteland before this dysfunction is resolved. That is the real crime. It is time to own up to the fact that we cannot continue to bomb and burn our way to somewhere because it is not working for anyone. Meantime, we wait, unfortunately.

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Your tribal myopia is stunning. The poverty, subjugation and murder of the Palestinian people is the desired intent of the Israeli policies toward the Occupied Territories. Palestinians have no power to change that. Their poverty is not a residual effect of such policies but is the plan. Ultimately, Israelis want Palestinians to leave.

I see no strategy on the Israeli side to change things for the better; quite the opposite. They are quite comfortable with the status quo. Nothing the Palestinians do will change that. The goalposts will always be moved. New settlements will always be built. More land will always be taken. If you discount the abhorrence of war crimes, there is no downside from the Israeli perspective to change things.

Your tribal loyalties prevent you from seeing the genocidal aspect of Israeli/Zionist policies.

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I’ve dealt with your tribalism before uberjude. It gets so tedious to see you so easily dismiss the crimes of your tribe. Try reading this before you speak so glowingly of the war criminal, Netanyahu with respect to this whole incident:

Your dismissal of the deaths of so many, especially women and children is frightening.

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“Leaving the end goal of a two-state solution aside…” That is exactly the reason this matter has persisted for decades. Israel has no desire to resolve this peacefully. All they wish is that Palestinians accept their fate of virtual imprisonment, forever. If not, well then, the “grass can always be mowed”.

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So what’s the endgame for Israel? A depopulated “Samaria and Judea” that they then move in and colonize, or a bunch of subservient minions in a satellite state?

Frankly if I were the Palestinians, I’d have never moved towards independence and instead declared themselves Israelis by virtue of occupation, then started a human rights campaign against Israeli apartheid – since we know the Israelis would never give them equal footing as the demographics are heading towards the end of Israel as it now exists anyways.

Israel needs to get past their boot-on-necks obsession and figure out what their future is going to be. Because the future is coming at them whether they like it or not and it’s not pretty for them.

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“…as long as reasonable efforts are made to prevent civilian casualties, which Israel has been doing, and which the rate of fatalities in proportion to the number of airstrikes demonstrates.”

So say the criminals launching the airstrikes against a captive population.

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