Discussion: NBC Host To Sanders: Your Take On Superdelegates Is A Bit 'Hypocritical'

Could you live on $12.00 an hour? The minimum wage should be the wage a person makes that allows that person to pay minimum but necessary bills. Most people working the minimum wage are adults supporting families. They need to make enough to pay for food, lodging, clothing and basic utilities.

Let the Republicans take the other side of the minimum wage argument. I think we will win if we try, but a lot of retailers like WalMart like the US taxpayer subsidies they receive via the various low income family tax credits.

Depends on the state and town.
The answer can definitely be yes, in some locales.

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I’m thinking that you are correct in your interpretation of his ā€œanswer.ā€.

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In BS world that means the system is rigged against him - he should be able to do whatever he wants because he has big rallys.

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That is a wonderful recitation of the old school Republican indictment of the Democratic party. You are either a Republican or a Democrat suffering from the Stockholm syndrome.

You don’t have to be a communist or a socialist to support economic fairness and social justice. You can come out of your bunker now. The air if fit to breath.

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ā€œRegular Americansā€ – the ā€œangry, white maleā€ voter who handed elections to Nixon and Reagan. And are making their last stand with trump.

Bernie is so old and out of it he hasn’t noticed that those who aren’t dead aren’t a winning constituency anymore. He thinks he can disrespect women and minorities left and right and they would still come crawling to him in November because they have nowhere else to go.

But he hasn’t stopped to think – he is insulting the very people he will need to win in order to court a demographic that is more naturally Trump’s constituency. What an idiot. He thinks a socialist whiner who is promising to raise their taxes is going to beat Trump with that demographic? That a few college kids who may or may not show up in November will make up for the people he is discouraging to vote?

This man is daily proving he is much too stupid to be president.

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Darcy,

Whenever I see your handle, I think of a Townes Van Zandt song (actually, I don’t think TVZ wrote this one, but that’s where I heard it.) :

*"Where the Truckee runs down to the Carson Valley plain
There lies a maid, Darcy Farrow was her name
The Daughter of old Dundee and a fair one was she
The fairest flower that bloomed on the range

Now she was courted by young Vandermeer
And quite handsome was he, so I hear
He brought her silver rings and lacy things
and promised to wed before the snows fell that year."*

I could go on–once the song starts playing in my head, there’s no stopping it–but it’s a folk song, so suffice to say, things don’t work out so well for fair Darcy Farrow and young Vandermeer.

I’m sure chicks just think Pride and Prejudice and swoon.

Aside from all that, I still think you’re mostly fulla shit. Haha.

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We need to talk about Sanders and how delusional he is in his prospects for California, and I’m going to excerpt a few lines from Willie Brown (because the link to his column won’t work), former mayor of San Francisco, member of CA Assembly for 30 years and speaker for 15, and all around plugged in to SF/CA politics maven

One advantage Hillary Clinton has over Bernie Sanders in the upcoming California presidential primary is that her voters know how to vote.

Clinton’s people are longtime registered Democrats. The ones who vote by mail — and that’s most of them these days — automatically get a Democratic presidential primary ballot in their packets [this would be me].

Many of the Sanders supporters who are driving up his poll numbers are young, first-time voters. Many registered as no party preference, or ā€œdecline to state.ā€

Decline-to-state voters don’t automatically receive a presidential primary ballot in their packets. They have to submit a mailed application to their county elections office to get one, and that application has to be delivered by Tuesday.

As for Clinton backing out of debating Sanders before the primary: Why should she debate? She is running for president of the United States, not president of the progressive society.

Besides, Hillary has more important things to worry about. Like picking a running mate.

My suggestion: Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts.

Her consumer protection credentials could help bring young Sanders voters into the fold. She could also ignite excitement on the Democratic side in a Clinton vs. Donald Trump contest.

So there it is, an attempt to cut through the thicket and speculation about June 7 though I’m in serious disagreement about Warren.

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Door meet ass …

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reallyā€¦ā€œregular Americansā€ā€¦wtf does that even mean? You sound like a right wing republican and their ā€œus real Americansā€ versus the evil left…Seriously doubt most of Bernie’s fanatics ever voted before and even more sure they never were a part of the Democratic Party…

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My daughter lives in a pretty low income part of the country, but when she was managing a retail store for about $12.00 per hour she worked long hours and needed subsidies from her parents to help with her son’s healthcare costs. She also looked forward to several thousand dollars Child Care and Earned Income Tax Credits, both of which are classified as welfare programs. The people really benefiting from keeping her wages low were the folks in the hedge fund that owned the retail chain where she worked for peanuts. She didn’t become independent until she her wages rose above $15.00 per hour.

He thinks he should get all the super delegates because the polls. These would be the ones that measure virtually unified GOP support for Trump while measuring support for Hillary as undercut by Bernie and his supporters who must have Bernie or the highway… Oh and Bernie’s low negatives because the GOP has yet to get started on Bernie’s admitted socialism and break-the-bank deficit spending which will play not well in Ohio, Florida, Missouri, Virginia, NC, NH and middle America in general when folks hear Trump tell them all about it-
ā€œSocialist Bernieā€

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The most stinging indictment anybody can make of Hillary is that she is running a 1990s style identity politics campaign in 2016. That is she has lined up all of the left wing special interest groups based around Washington on the assumption that lining up all of those groups is the same thing as winning over all of their members. Politics doesn’t work that way anymore. What was a good strategy in Bill’s day and even in 2008, doesn’t make sense in the world of social media and reality television.

Don’t believe me ask Ted Cruz who banked on the ā€œevangelicalā€ vote, which is the big single interest group on the Republican side, and came up a cropper to Donald Trump.

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With all of the double speak, the dismissal of facts, and the skewing of perceptions based upon individual priorities and vantage points, I am actually surprised that Bernie has not just totally ā€œgone for brokeā€

  • kicked reality in the balls - and unilaterally issued an audacious proclamation followed by relentless chanting from his followers repeating Bernie’s words proclaiming him now unquestionably be the - *substantive and conclusive" …

"WINNER OF THE DEMOCRATIC CAMPAIGN PROCESS"
… just basically declare himself to already be the figurative ā€œWINNERā€
… and Hillary to be essentially and conclusively be the virtual ā€œLOSERā€ …

  • would expect them to proclaim that what they have now achieved is absolute proof positive of Bernie’s triumph over the arcane & ā€˜rigged’ delegate selection process ( and they would be totally dismissive of the minor technicalities of Clinton larger numbers a simply an artifact of institutional bias) … and all of his followers would relentlessly insist that when you account for the resistance that Bernie has had to deal with,it is unquestionably clear that Bernie has triumphed and is going to Cleveland as the -
    "WINNER OF THE PROCESS"

just relentlessly working the ā€˜perception is reality’ and ā€˜change perception to fit the reality you want’ approach… this is how they could justify their -
… ā€œYeah, Hillary has more votes and more delegates … but we say Bernie wonā€ reasoning.

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If even Chuck Lipsync Todd can spot a contradiction in what you are saying then this may indicate a serious underlying problem. Next stop Dr. Phil?

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Thats because ā€œevangelicalsā€ are typical bigoted republicans first. Cruz proved that beyond question.

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Oh, you didn’t know.
From his early days in Vermont in 1969 (he was a 28 year old adult) as a writer for the ā€œVermont Freemanā€.

An article in Time magazine talks about it.

In essence repressed sexual activity is the cause of many cancers. Ugh…

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Trump is running low on money himself.

How did Trump pull the evangelicals away from Cruz? You need to focus on winning all those people the traditional single interest groups can’t deliver. How do we get the tide of young people Bernie excited to believe we have their interests at heart?

What do they call this? Confirmation bias? Ha.

Trump’s entire campaign has been based on one thing: kickin out the spics, keepin out the mooslims, and ā€œtaking the country backā€ from the niggers. It’s the one thing that resonates throughout the Republican electorate, whether evangelicals or Ayn Rand lovers, social conservatives or fiscal ones. The one thing that unites them is a hatred for people of color, homos, and uppity bitches that exist outside of a kitchen.

Cruz lost precisely because he’s ā€œone o’ them ethnicsā€. His conservative credentials didn’t mean shit, with a name like Cruz. Shit, Cruz and Rubio embodied the thing that Trump was raging about: Latinos taking white people’s jobs. Time to return the ultimate American job to the traditional white old man.

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