Found a picture of Kirstjen Nielsen (head of DHS) when she was young
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What leverage was that? Polling that showed people are in favor of DACA but against shutting down the government over it? That polling?
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Sorry, but thatâs not the problem. The problem is that Republicans will never allow any legislation on immigration as long as they can prevent it. Never, no way, no how. Wonât do it. Weâve been watching them do this for a long, long time.
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Shutting down the government is not an option when the only resulting benefit is an issue a minority of Americans donâtâ give a shit about, but go ahead and pound Collins. Sheâs an all purpose punching bag for too many peopleâŚ
@gajake Todayâs R party is not our parents generation R party. Theyâre about as far to the right as they can go without falling off the planet.
Most of the R women and not enough of the D women donât get enough respect regardless of what they do. Itâs called sexism, and you donât recognize it.
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Susan is neither hat nor cattle.
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Susan deserves every whack she gets.
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This is NOT the Democrats fault !!!
If we want the Democrats to have power, WE have to give it to them by showing up and supporting our party at the ballot box consistently in every election. If we had been doing that all along, none of this would be happening. We did this to ourselves.
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AH! I didnât see this before I posted the same basic thing down thread (but with less flair)
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The headline for this article is very inaccurate in an important way: Sen. Grassleyâs hardline proposal, taken from the Trump White House, did not âfail to overcome a filibusterâ, as Tierney Sneed writes. It failed to gain a majority. Thatâs an important difference. The so-called âCommon Sense Coaltionâ compromise did gain a majority of votes. That bill, however, âfailed to overcome a filibusterâ, despite gaining 15 more votes than the White House/reactionary right-wing version.
Please clarify your lead and subtitle, and correct the misleading characterization to make it clear that nowhere near a majority of the Senate is willing to vote for Mr Trumpâs extreme demands.
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The so-called âCommon Sense Coalitionâ bill got a majority, sacrificing $25 Billion-with-a-B to Mr Trumpâs absurd wall in order to get the just treatment of the Dreamers. The Trump proposal got nowhere near a majority. (Since itâs the subject of the underlying article, I first thought you were referring to that bill in your post!)
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One thing I just noticed. MSNBC has been on the shooting all day and are now sprinkling in Rob Porter and Bannon testimony.
I havenât heard/seen anything about the DACA vote.
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The other day I was in a brief conversation with two very uninformed young men about immigration about which they knew very little, and one referred to âwhatâs her nameâ and how if sheâd won things would be different. Not representative of the population at large, granted, but also indicative of the apathy which results in 57% turnout in general election years.
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i was actually talking about the more liberal bill that got 52 votes.
Correct. Shutting down the government over DACA was the best way to ensure a Republican majority in November. Dreamers are screwed, but again they were screwed before Obama signed DACA. I am pissed of some dreamers whining that democrats only âusedâ them for political purposes. I hope they enjoy the tender mercies of the republicans and their shock troops at ICE.
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I engaged way too long the other daywith this asshole whoâs stuck on the Democrats suck. Itâs a losing game. Donât go there.
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Trump killed DACA! Trump killed DACA! Trump killed DACA! Flog it every day. And Trump could restore DACA protections today.
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I have nothing but sympathy for the Dreamers, and also think they deserve tremendous credit for a long, smart, extended, tenacious and amazingly successful campaign to make their situation visible, and to clarify where justice lies. If some of them are mad at the institutional Democrats today, they can be forgiven, because itâs maddening how our Constitutional system with its quirks keeps screwing them over.
That said, letâs keep our focus on one thing: the institutional Democratic party may be imperfect, its leaders may play political games, and it sometimes muffs politics. But none of that means that they are to blame for the Dreamersâ situation: the Republicans, from Mr Trump down to the right-wing reactionaries at the base, are 100% responsible. They blocked a Dreamer bill under the Obama presidency, and they wonât let any such bill through now.
Second point: even if you donât accept the previous paragraph. In a federalist democratic system that universally relies on âfirst-past-the-postâ elections of representatives (or in some cases, multi-round votes until one has 50%+1), there can only be two viable parties, however bizarre the coalitions that result (like the Democratic coalition from the Roosevelt years through the early 1960s). Third parties have no chance, ever (unless they can become one of the two parties when one of the others dies, as happened to the Whigs in the 1850s⌠and NEVER since). Short of calling for outright revolution, or a viable plan to bring about proportional representation in voting, the Democrats are the only game in town if you oppose Republican acts.
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Trump killed DACA because heâs been a racist since birth would also work.
You understand it very well and as sad and frustrating as it is, itâs the truth of the matter.
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He cannot deport them while there are two federal cases pending that have injunctions against his doing that.
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