For white guys who kill members of minority groups? No, I’m pretty sure that’s not on the menu.
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As several have noted, Oklahoma is one of the states that still has the death penalty- let’s see if it is applied here, as it should.
The leos and judges involved in this should be charged as accomplices.
The new hero of the Alt-Right.
First instance of “extreme vetting”…thanks tRump.
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My contention is that by labeling some crimes as “hate-based” you somehow diminish all other kinds of crimes.
I don’t think this is true. I also would say that hate crimes are worse than their usual versions because each hate crime creates a specific atmosphere of fear for a group. It is intended to do harm to a community and intimidate them into submission beyond the direct victim; we always treat that worse than normal crimes, whether that changes the charge or adds a leapfrog charge (such as witness intimidation.)
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A photo is worth a thousand words. Too bad about Tulsa’s future payouts for liability in completely failing to properly defend its residents from known threats. My sympathies are with the family. This is domestic terrorism. Thanks, Donald, for making it acceptable.
My parents, Maronite Catholic Christians, came to the US from Lebanon in the early 1950s. The first several years of my life were spent in an urban area. My neighbors were first-generation Puerto Ricans, Croatians, Slovac, Italians, and African-Americans. We were all poor but didn’t know it, and we all lived together and played together. Our parents all got along.
In the mid 1960s, like many Americans, we moved to the suburbs. A few years later an opening in a local Catholic school opened up for me and my brothers and sister. To the suburban, white-bread Catholics, I was the Other, and was constantly asked what my religion was, even though I could recite the prayers from memory better than they could. For the most part the atmosphere was insular and xenophobic. In comparison to suburbia, my former neighbors and playmates were cosmopolitan.
It seems to me the police and the judge went all the way to protect this POS, showing no regard for the Jabara family’ safety.
Another crazy killer encouraged by Trump’s hate-speech.
I’ve had many discussions with Law Enforcement over the years, and they will tell you they can issue a ticket on a car right off an assembly line.
And if they really want, they can put anybody in jail.
But don’t take my word for it, see the attached article from the Wall Street Journal. They aren’t even sure how many federal crimes there are, but I think the article estimates around 3,000.
So while I understand the narrow point you are making, I just don’t think it holds up to scrutiny.
This quote is from a retired Law Professor in Louisiana.
"There is no one in the United States over the age of 18 who cannot be indicted for some federal crime," said John Baker, a retired Louisiana State University law professor who has also tried counting the number of new federal crimes created in recent years. "That is not an exaggeration."
So while clever clichés like “If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime” or “if you can’t pay the price, don’t roll the dice” from “street people” or old episodes of “Barretta” sound wise, when compared with the reality it is nonsense IMO.
I’m reminded of this quote about Republicans. A civil Libertarian is a Republican with a friend in trouble.
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You are not a good person if this is your attitude.
I find it infuriating that the Jabara family was allowed by their Police Department to be subjected to years and years of abuse, intimidation and finally the murder of their son by someone about whom they had complained and obtained restraining orders or orders of protection. That the Oklahoma police would have shit-kicked first and asked questions later had the abuse gone in the opposite direction for even a week is an absolute certainty for me.
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Not only is it non-violent it is a mutually consented-to transaction (or as some call it a victimless crime). He did not shove a pound of marijuana down someone’s throat.
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Exactly…
The face of Stanley Vernon Majors looks like a man who has his head up Rush Limbaugh’s ass for the last 25 years. GOP radio (and Fox News) has created millions of these white male misfits - losers looking for someone to blame for their misery and lack of success in life. Behold the visage of the GOP base. It ain’t pretty, and oftentimes, it’s something to fear.
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Could you imagine the headlines/consequences if a man named Khalid Jabara was the one who ran over a man’s mother??
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“Majors drove his vehicle into Haifa Jabara and sped off, leaving her with a broken shoulder and other injuries, according to the Tulsa World. He was charged with assault and battery with a deadly weapon, public intoxication, leaving the scene of a collision involving injury, and yet again violating the protective order.”
how about attempted murder or attempted vehicular manslaughter
I’m assuming you’re making this argument as an exercise in debating or argument. If I’m reading you correctly, you condemn unjust laws and unjust sentencing. You realize this is a huge societal problem and believe it should change. You also believe that the person who breaks an unjust law is 100%, solely to blame for the resulting consequences and deserves whatever they get.
This is, in a way, absolutely right. No one is usually holding a gun to the head of someone forcing them to sell weed, jaywalk, or (shudder) commit sodomy. The choice is always, ultimately up to the individual. If a person chooses to make better decisions their life will be much better. This is 100% true, completely irrelevant, and ridiculously simplistic.
People join gangs and commit crimes, sometimes because they can do that or be the victim of the gang themselves. Innocent people are wrongfully convicted. People are beaten by police for the crime of living while black, brown, or praying to the wrong god and then jailed for assaulting a police officer, Beaten wives occasionally fight back or kill their abusers.
People make bad choices and their lives are worse because of it. The world would be better if we all made better choices. This is obvious and, I think, acknowledged by everyone.
We can understand that and still have empathy for people who make bad choices and work to change unjust laws. You seem to acknowledge that but cling to the Libertarian, black or white, simplistic vision of “if you do bad things you deserve what you get” that completely ignores the complexity of real life. Please help me understand what your argument is if I’ve read you wrong.
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No, you have it wrong. I don’t say they deserve whatever they get. I’m saying it should come as no surprise, and it was a possible consequence of their actions. Every sentient person realizes justice isn’t blind or fair. You need to take that into account with your conduct and what you do. Hell yes 55 years is harsh and ridiculous for selling weed. In the same vein i don’t extend my hand to pet a dog I don’t know. Odds are I’ll be OK, but I know some dogs may bite me. It’s not right the dog bites me, nor fair, but it’s a damned dog, I knew it was unpredictable when I extended my hand. So I don’t do it. Nor would I sell an ounce of weed to a friend if the penalty could be anywhere from a small fine to 55 years in jail. Damn, 55 years!?!?! You won’t catch me selling this shit!!
You can’t control the actions of others. You can work to affect change. But until that change is enshrined in sentencing laws and you’re relatively assured a person or institution is going to react to what you do in a fair manner you need to proceed accordingly. Has nothing to do with what you deserve.