Thanks Donald for giving every racist nut job in the US a voice and permission to show your hate.
Donât even get me started about crazy people with access to guns.
Trumpâs America
I hope the deceased family sues this police department into oblivion. Were I on the jury, Tulsa wouldnât have enough money to pay for this travesty.
I wonder how this wouldâve gone had rolls reversed and Mr. Jabara repeatedly and violently attacked his neighbor Mr. Nelson. I think we all know the answer to that.
Iâve said to everyone at my workplace in my small southern town: we are all far more likely to be killed by an angry white dude with guns and grievances than we are by any Muslim. Of course it falls on deaf ears.
Oklahoma has the Death Penalty, I believe?
"âŚand is held without bail at the Tulsa Jail for first-degree murder and possession of a firearm after a felony conviction, the newspaper reported. "
"The order prohibited Majors from going near Jabara or her home or possessing firearms until 2018. "
OK, which is it? If heâs a felon, the ban on having guns is a lifetime ban. Why the court order only prohibiting him from possessing firearms until 2018? Get your checkbooks out, Tulsa County / City of Tulsa. Youâll be writing some large checks.
Majors was just ahead of his time.
Extreme vetting: Coming to a neighborhood near you!!
Tulsa County is the jurisdiction that had the shooting of the unarmed black man by the volunteer reserve sheriffâs deputy a few years ago. They may have had little to do with the decisions that led to the terrorizing of this family, but the community clearly has some work to do.
A lot of good that does after the fact
This man has been killed and his family and friends will grieve for the rest of their lives. Who cares whether this was caused by âhateâ?? I think most murders should be called âhate crimesâ because the murderer hates their victim so much they take away their lives. In the process, many of the murderers give up their own liberty to confinement in prison and ruin their own families and friends. I really donât understand why a murder committed due to bigotry and prejudice is any worse than one committed because of selfishness, madness or any other reason. None of us has the right to take another human life; there are exceptions, of course, when oneâs own life is threatened, for example. (Please donât drag the abortion issue into this discussion, it is not relevant. You can not âmurderâ that which has not yet been born.) Fear becomes hatred; hatred breeds violence. I donât think it will ever stop. I do know that one candidate for President is selling fear and hatred; please donât vote for him. We all need to understand that respect, at least, for another personâs right to live is the bare minimum for human decency and behavior.
But, butâŚguns donât kill people. OhâŚwait.
This is effed-up. As @antisachetdethe noted above: Drumpfâs America - Not So Great After All.
it would seem the explicit behavior was condoned by the city of Tulsa through the implicit behavior of the city authoritiesâŚ
Whatâs distressing about this isnât the hatred and violence of this deranged redneck. Itâs the fact that an entire political party is beholden to the thug industry that is foisting guns willy-nilly on the American public â and therefore rationalizes away any effort to diminish this public safety hazard.
I guess itâs theoretically possible the system failed to protect these people because it was constrained in some way by the way the laws are written, or civil liberties, available resources, whatever. But one thing stands out: There was every warning about this guy you could possibly have, no question whatsoever he intended to harm them.
As an Arab-American, I careâŚbecause a hate-crime means I am targeted simply because of my ethnic or racial background. I am hated simply for who I amâŚsomething I cannot, nor would I want to, change. The threats were there. The threats ARE everywhere because of this manâs ethnic background. Donât diminish the impact and pervasive nature of hate in this country. Hate crimes are serious and when you say âwho cares if this was caused by âhateââ you basically say eh, who cares if this man was targeted for his race, ethnicity, religion, etc.
I care. I will continue to care. And as long as we have Presidential candidates spewing this specific breed of âhate,â we should all care.
ETA: and I donât think anyone is saying itâs âworseâ but that surely doesnât mean you donât acknowledge it.
Society desires to inhibit criminal behavior. Stopping acts committed en masse, crimes people commit when theyâve come to feel theyâre acting as a group or with the support and sympathy of a large number of people, understandably takes precedence over isolated instances of a person losing control and going off their rocker. Harsher penalties are a part of this effort when dealing with hate crime, as is elevating the visibility of their prosecution. Sure, we want a message sent you shouldnât kill a gay Asian man, and the lone guy that does it is prosecuted. But the desire to squelch a pattern, a movement of people killing gay Asian men, motivates the judicial system to create a separate class of charges and penalties.
The Voting Rights Act wasnât created to assure ALL people had ballot access, it was crafted because blacks were having difficulties that needed addressed (yes, whites were also afforded additional protections as a consequence, not that they needed them). Most people accept special laws needed formulated. If groups of people are the victims of crimes, and you can say with some certaintly something specific to them is causing their problems, special laws get formulated, just as they were when dealing with disenfranchisement of blacks at the polls.
Give Tulsa credit. Theyâve been working on race relations for almost a century. Most of that work has revolved around suppressing local minorities and keeping secrecy
Weldon Angelos got 55 years for a first time offense selling $350 worth of Marijuana in several transactions.
We donât have a âsystemâ of Justice. We have a system of crime and haphazard, wildly inconsistent punishment.
Penalties should be consistent, no doubt about that.
I wonder though, if Mr. Angelos hadnât sold the marijuana in the first place would he be dealing with what he views as unequal treatment by the court?
If I beat up my wife and kicked her down a flight of stairs, resulting in a year in jail, how much sympathy do I garner when complaining my neighbor only got 6 months for the same offense?
Hereâs a novel concept. Donât break the law. Suddenly youâll find you arenât engaged in a dispute or debate about whether the system has treated you fairly.
The Okies had every opportunity and reason to put the murderer in some kind of mental or criminal custodial care long before this escalated to murder . They screwed it up naturally, what with him being Casper skinned and the victimâs family not. Drive through these parts and look at all the Jesus bill boards and huge fucking churches. Look at all the oversized, sometimes American flags. Hillaryâs opponent has nothing on these folks when it comes to overcompensation for failing Humanity 101.
Now the Okies have another chance to show that their cherished death penalty is applied fairly. Yeah. I donât think so either.