Hey, by MSM No Such Thing as Right Wing Extremism standards, yeah, this is what passes for thoughtful on the right.
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Taking Wallaceâs argument to the extreme, as long as we keep telling ourselves weâre always the good guys (in every single situation), then weâve got license to do whatever we want to do in order to defend that âgoodness.â
Itâs the mindset that so easily allowed this nation to be convinced that killing thousands of Iraqi civilians in pursuit of one guy who actually had nothing to do with the September 11th attack was an acceptable course of action.
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NahâŚtorture after the fact is so much easier.
With the additional benefit of being exactly what they want to do anyway.
One of the most disheartening things about the post-September 11 years is that this is even a controversy. Sane societies have agreed for a very long time now that torture is always wrong. Professional interrogators straight up to the highest level will tell you it does not produce reliable results. Despite the desperate lies of the bitter-enders in our own case, the waterboarding and other so-called âharsh interrogationsâ did not stop attacks or increase security. It came about because Cheney was an ignorant, maniacal coward and Bush was a feckless and immature patsy. And the ticking time bomb is the stuff of cheap melodrama. In the real world itâs a vanishingly rare thing. The one time the bomb was ticking, and we knew it was, the pseudo-tough guys running things did nothing out of sheer carelessness. And this country was stained for generations to come because of the torture they instituted afterward. There is no argument to be made otherwise on any of this from any moral or practical standpoint, period. It canât be said often enough.
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- Yes.
- Yes.
This has been another episode of Obvious Answers to Simple Questions.
Thanks for playing!
Another bush apologist defending in the indefensible. What Wallace
fails to mention is the torture that she is such a fan of produced no concrete results
because it doesnât work. It makes us no
better then animals we are fighting.Â
When Wallace says âWhat else did we do to make sure that 3,000 people
werenât blown out, obliterated on a New York City morning?" Wallace said.
"I donât care what we didâ she fails to mention her administration ignored
the intel that said BL was set to attack inside the US. Intel that gathered not by torture
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Torture? Illegal wars? Rampant destruction of the environment? Nope! Thatâs perfectly fine, doesnât hurt our greatness one bit. But giving freedom to the gays? Allowing poor people access to healthcare? Raising taxes on the fabulously wealthy? Itâs destroying our country!!
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i had to bail from that segment; scarbroâs lies and wallaceâs disingenuousness were too much this early âŚ
there was a former romney campaign advisor on msnbc yesterday, and when discussing what the u.s. should do re foreign policy, her remark was essentially that âno one fears the united states any longer; thatâs what needs to be corrected, so people fear us.â
talk about advocating a thug cultureâŚ
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Nicolle Wallace is a moron.
This is common knowledge outside the right-wing bubble.
There is no circumstance whatsoever in which torture by the US government or its agents is an acceptable practice.
Period.
Full stop.
Like Wallace, it really is that simple.
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Will someone PLEASE show this video to Rosie OâDonnellâŚ
Put on your big girl panties and volunteer, she likes to talk the talk but not willing to walk the walkâŚ
I stopped watching Morning Joe a while back and it is guests like Nicole that usually go unchallenged with GOP dribble that provide the incentive for me to continue to stay away . . . . .
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On the TV drama âLaw and Order: Criminal Intentâ, there was a great character that appeared on the show 6 or 7 times who was a sociopathic serial killer and was Detective Gorenâs arch-nemesis. Her name on the series was Nicole Wallace. Coincidence? I think not!
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Itâs letting women vote thatâs been dragging this country down, you know!
On CNN right now someone is pointing out that âat every stage the CIA went to Congress for permissionâ, etc.
Who cares! The point is that we were wrong to authorize and permit torture. It was wrong in WWII and itâs wrong now.
People panicked after 9/11 and we should establish rules now that make it clear.
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CBS Morning News also aired the CIA âhad to do it after 911â line this morningâŚ
Note to Nicholle: 3,000 people were âblown out, obliterated on a New York City morningâ on your watch.
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Classic stonewalling to get out your message (sometimes called propaganda). She needs to shut up and listen once in a while. âEverything liberals say are liesâ indeed.
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To bad they didnât care about all the warnings âŚ72 memos⌠BEFORE we were hit on 911.
To bad GWB took a 5 week vaca just prior to the attackâŚ
oopsy.
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Hey you know what made America less great? Telling the guy who made the presentation Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US: âAlright youâve covered your ass now.â
Perhaps TPM can explain to its readers why Ms Wallaceâs complete comments are given such pride of place in the article, yet Deanâs responses are examined in encapsulated versions. Dean has by far the tougher job, in that heâs speaking on the fly while Wallace is giving prepared remarks, which may even be the result of prior coordination with Morning Joe producers. I, for one, would have preferred to see his remarks in a more complete format so that actual âbalanceâ might be possible.
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Google Kabul24.
It is a documentary about what happened in July of 2001 that was also ignored by the Bush Admin.
It is about a kidnapping of westerners and bin Ladenâs demand for payment to release them.
They were still being held when we bombed Afghanistan âŚtheir own captures led them to safety
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