Discussion: Message To Health Care Holdouts: Relax, The Senate Will Save You

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So change it now.

Oh, wait. Your leaders say House Republicans should vote for a bad bill, so they can get a good bill. Their seats and careers are safe.

Trust Donald. Heā€™s a man of his word.

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Oh, FFS.

Even the Goopers are not stupid enough to fall for something like this. (Well, maybe Louie Gohmert and a couple others of his intellectual, um, un-capacityā€¦)

But we will have their names on record, and thatā€™ll come back to haunt them one day, regardless of whether the Senate ā€œsavesā€ them (which I sincerely doubtā€¦) or not. I think most of them understand this.

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Translation: We have no interest or ability in actually doing anything of note, we just need to take another repeal vote to placate our rube supporters and certain RWNJ radio hosts.

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ā€œIf you want the pressure off, kick it over to the Senate and let those guys deal with it for a while.ā€

Ah, the party of ā€œpersonal responsibilityā€ rears its scaly, scab-riddled head again.

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The whip count is at 22 no, 16 not sure.
desperate times call for desperate measures

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AARP and others are already running ads. House members in"safe" seats are asking ā€œmoderatesā€ to commit political suicide to let them say they kept a campaign promise.

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Roflmfao .

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Exactly. Punting this garbage to the Senate is of cold comfort for the 20 or so ā€œmoderateā€ Rethugs (yes, Iā€™m usinā€™ scare quotes) running for re election next year in a district that Clinton won.

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Except the point is that even IF the Senate killed it those Reps still voted on it and thus shows that they donā€™t care about their constituents.

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The final solution will be a single payer health planā€¦medicare for all!

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Vote for shit and hope it comes back smelling like roses. Thatā€™s a terrific strategy.

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So weird the Senate canā€™t just introduce their own bill first.

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They know itā€™s a bad bill that really hurts their constituents. But, how can we vote for it anyway - since weā€™ve unfairly and falsely demonized ā€œObamacareā€ for seven years and voted to repeal 60 times when we knew Obama could save us - and not lose votes? Who will save us from being uncaring asses one more time? How do we eat this shit sandwich without getting shit all over our face?

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Interesting. Iā€™ve been reading the last few days about the trench warfare in the extended battles of WWI-
Ypres, Passchendaele, Verdunā€“how the leaders ultimately would send troops in hopeless charges over
fields that were mined, covered w barb wire, through weapons fire previously unheard ofā€“all on a Hail Mary,
because they had no idea what they were doing but felt they had to try something
I wonder if the GOP ā€˜moderatesā€™ in the House realize they are being used as the modern equivalent of cannon fodder.

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Scare quotes are absolutely in order when referring to ā€œmoderateā€ Regoops.

Well, it actually sort of, kind of works in the real world. But there is a lot processing before shit smells like roses.You have to compost the shit first, and then you need to actually, you know, grow roses in it. And some sorts of shit just donā€™t work. I believe this particular shit is not only of that sort, there far too little pre-processing to make smell like anything but shit. Nasty shit, at that.

Paulie Ryanā€™s ā€œleadershipā€ strategy:

  1. Weā€™ve got to do something, people!
  2. Although this is objectively stupid and almost certain to fail in both the long- and short-term, it is something we could do.
  3. Therefore, we must do this.

Mel Brooks summed it up well in Blazing Saddles:

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Oh, thatā€™ll work. Send it to the Senate, itā€™ll be fineā€¦the Senate, under that highly trustworthy Guardian of Constitutional Tradition, the Right Honorable Senator McConnell. And you also have Donaldā€™s promise(Todayā€™s Edition) itā€™ll be OK.

How bad is it? I am skeptical whether Gohmert would fall for it.

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A broad consensus of Americans are conservative in their ideology while supporting liberal taxing and spending priorities in practice. The way out for moderate Republicans would be to sell single-payer as a conservative jobs program that increases Americansā€™ freedom. How many farmers and small business owners have to do all the work themselves, while sending their spouses to work for someone else to get health insurance for the family?

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Where does one begin to just how stupid of an idea this is? See letā€™s the moderates buy your explanation they will be on record in support of taking away peopleā€™s healthcare. I think the voters will have their asses in a sling on that. Also he said once it gets to the senate it will be changed then when freedom caucus votes against the changes the senate made and this starts all over again. So what is the point of voting for this when the senate is going to chop it up? I guess like trump the GOP forgot governing is hard

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Yes I think most do understand

Attention GOP! Next item for your bucket* list, if this will be a permanent strategery:
Recruit an entire new ā€œYoung Gunsā€ generation of candidates, all of whom are Opposition Research Deniers!

*I think I know whatā€™s in the bucketā€¦

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