Discussion: McConnell: Trump Will Sign Border Deal As He Declares Emergency For Wall

Personally, I don’t think they should fight the wall national emergency. They should use it as precedent and start running on healthcare and climate change national emergencies RIGHT NOW.

Or…well…maybe do both.

What Nancy said.

Congress. In this particular case the House since the Senate has abdicated to Trump.

Thanks for this.

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Strike me down and I will become more mealymouthed than you can possibly imagine.

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As I understand it, it’s more than just the funding sources. The National Emergency act would allow extreme measures like completely bypassing environmental review, bypass competitive bidding, bypass challenges to eminent domain seizure of property, and allow using the Army and Corps of Engineers directly for construction manpower.

With the skids greased like that, he could actually finish the wall within the next 2 years. And then run for re-election on the accomplishment. Which is why he has such a hard-on for doing it this way, instead of a wimpy Executive order that wouldn’t have those powers.

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Specifically, “…killing 58 people and leaving 851 injured – over 400 of them by gunfire and hundreds more in the ensuing panic.” So about half of the 900 hit by gunfire (58 dead) and the other half injured in the panic. Over 1,100 rounds shot.

So, nothing to see here, no emergency or anything, keep moving.

Oh and almost 1,200 Americans up to 18 years old killed by guns since Parkland.

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I agree with your post all the way up to the end. The Republicans will block any attempt by a Democratic president to declare a national emergency to advance a policy goal, and the Dems, driven by ethics and an actual love of country, won’t push it through to the end.

I’m not criticizing the Dems for this assumption, either. I simply think that like so many other things (like stealing a Supreme Court justice), just because the Republicans do it doesn’t at all mean the Dems can or will do it later.

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Wow. Looks like a genuine constitutional crisis. Never a dull moment…

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“But will cravenly still allow it.”

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She mentioned Parkland specifically because today is the anniversary. That was the context.

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Stupid is as stupid does

From my extensive AR watching experience, it needs to be maybe a century old and it’s better if it’s from the 1800’s before chemical dyes or at least mostly made with natural dyes.

I still remember (with the emotional reaction) a couple years ago when some old guy brought in a black and white Navajo rug and was told it was a national treasure worth god knows how much. Some older woman this week had a painting or something worth way over $100K and did not have any idea.

I would be one of those people at the end with some old thing worth ten bucks.

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I would have agreed with you in the past but I’m seeing Democrats who are all too aware of extralegal moves the GOP has made and made work and are fed up.

I am sensing that they are no longer going to be above using the same tactics if the situation calls for it. These are different Democrats than we’ve had in the past. Even Nancy Pelosi is a different Nancy Pelosi.

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But, there have been cases of rugs and/or textiles (mostly American Indian) that were made by a specific tribe for a specific event/tribal ceremony that were made in the 1940’s or earlier.

(I used to watch back in the early 2000’s with regularity and then stopped when I realized I didn’t have a damn thing worth selling. Or keeping. Yeah, I’m always one the people in the outtakes saying that the thing I thought was going to pay off my credit card debt wouldn’t get me car fare home).

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How about a national emergency for the gun crisis? Or maybe climate change? Or how about a national emergency about wealth disparities. I’ve heard that empires always fall due to wealth disparities.

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Oh you mean like:

On February 27, 1933, the German parliament (Reichstag) building burned down. The Nazi leadership and its coalition partners used the fire to claim that Communists were planning a violent uprising. They claimed that emergency legislation was needed to prevent this. The resulting act, commonly known as the Reichstag Fire Decree, abolished a number of constitutional protections and paved the way for Nazi dictatorship.

Implemented one day after the fire, the decree suspended the right to assembly, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and other constitutional protections, including all restraints on police investigations. It remained in effect until Nazi Germany was defeated in May 1945.

The decree permitted the regime to arrest and incarcerate political opponents without specific charge, to dissolve political organizations, and to confiscate private property. The decree also gave the regime the authority to overrule state and local laws and overthrow state and local governments.

(OK, not quite, but this would be Trump’s dream. He has actually suggested some version of about all of it.)

Heh-heh-heh.

Yeah, those 'Nuks love them some hockey. Me too, although i’m not Canadian. I haven’t left the country since '17, though. But, back on hockey, i’m currently working on writing a rendition of Slap Shot! The Musical. Due out sometime when i get a clue what i’m doing. It’s turning out that nearly every scene will have its own number, pretty much like the Pirates of Penzance. Almost a hockey operetta.

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This also, as Republicans have pointed out, opens the door for the next President declaring a state of emergency regarding climate change. That would be a debate worth having - can we as a country act in time to avoid having to declare climate change an emergency requiring the powers of the Executive Branch to address?

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