Discussion: McConnell: Trump Will Sign Border Deal As He Declares Emergency For Wall

A revolting stage?

That would provolk even more opposition from senatorial institutionalist. People like Shelby, Alexander, Grassley would vote no to a rule change. There are major power issues at stake here,.

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I for one will be writing to the president to call to his attention several other emergencies. There are rivers that are full of water in the country, for one thing. And there is NOTHING keeping that water from flooding except gravity.

There is also a disturbing lack of fencing in the upper atmosphere. Foreign aeroplanes could fly over at any time. There are emergencies everywhere, and nobody seems to care!

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I think this is another case where the rational side of Chief Justice Roberts votes with reality. He can look to §1641 of the National Emergency Act, “(a) When the President declares a national emergency, or Congress declares war,” and “(c) . . . Not later than ninety days after the termination of each such emergency or war,” say it is the clear intent of the NEA that a declared emergency has to be on the same order of magnitude as a war, and rule it as an abuse of power.

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I think Trump is sick of being Presjdent.

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The conservatives on the court will know damn well what a Democratic administration would do with this power. Depending on how it’s structured, they can’t be guaranteed to block it next time.

Trump isn’t even thinking or caring about this, because he has no capacity to think beyond the next Diet Coke and the next cheeseburger. But the Supremes aren’t that stupid.

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This is what you can call a “win-win”. With both wins for the Democrats.

Not only do we get an operating government with no wall, but Trump puts himself out there as insane clown for Democrats and some Republicans to take shots at due to an obvious abuse of Presidential authority.

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I live near the Mexican border. (Looks out window) … I see finches playing in my yard, a bunny rabbit… but no hoards of swarthy jihadists. This “emergency” is straight up bullshit. It is simply a way for trump to get money for another few miles of Vanity wall. That is what this is…an ego trip.
It’s utter bullshit.

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Gee, too bad Seth Moulton isn’t Speaker right now…

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They wearing tiny turbans?

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Agreed, but that means if McConnell does not change the rules then he has to put all GOP senators on record. As @brooklyndweller said upthread “If [the GOP senators in purple states] do go along with it, the chances are very good that they’re gone in 2020.” Cory Gardner is already in a 24/7 sweat and this will not help his disposition.

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Fox News you say?

Led by the nose.

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You can feel the smirk in that one. Zing. :smirk:

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Sure he is. The only way he stays out of Jail in in the Oval Office

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Republican Senators seem a bit squeamish and they should be. They all know there is no national emergency.

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Ok…who is building a wall on the CANADIAN BORDER?? Hmmm?
5000 miles of utterly open unprotected border. And you know them Cannucks. Hockey at the drop of a hat.

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Congress has acted.

Negating any “emergency”

Jesus, what an idiot. Courts, we’re counting on you.

Immediate injunction, Dems.

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The conservatives have for years said that congress needed to take more authority, and the executive make less decisions. This is part of a set of scholarship going back to the 70s that decries the administrative state. Believing that if congress is forced to allocate and spend all of the money there would be less expansion in government.

If this clearly fake emergency can stand, when congress has not only not authorized it, but voted to the contrary in an area (spending) that the constitution expressly authorizes is exclusively within the control of congress:

“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States”

“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law . . .”

Then a future president would be able to (a) create a national single payer health care system to address our health care emergency, (b) require the registration and restriction of all guns to address the emergency of gun violence, remove impediments to voting to address the emergency of blocking access to the ballot, etc.

Roberts has enough of a long view that there is no way he would go along. And I would 99% say that Thomas believes too much in the republican doctrine to go along either. Both would be concerned about undermining what little credibility the Court has left. Alito is a hack, to early to tell on Gorsuch or Kavanaugh.

I would bet a lot that Trump would have no more than 3 votes, and perhaps none.

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Folks we have a problem here
THE CANADIAN BORDER IS OPEN AND UNPROTECTED AND IT’S TRUMP’S FAULT!!!

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