Who was praising Graham???
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It would be good if congress was forced to actually legislate on immigration. It may even be a first step towards wholesale immigration reform. This reliance executive orders or sanctuary cities or law enforcement turning a blind eye is no way to run a country.
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Well, thatâs certainly the case if youâre a decent person and a pragmatic administrator.
@anon57629419 All of that presupposes good faith on the part of Republican leadership in Congress. Their priority right now is taxes. Thatâs it. Ryan is happy to spout a bit of pablum and McConnell might think about DACA in the context of GOP senators up in 2020. Theyâre not going out on a limb and even if they did it would collapse because theyâd insist on abiding by the Pedophile Rule. Theyâre feckless, and everybody knows it. Especially Lindsey Graham.
It ainât Everett Dirksenâs Republican Party. Hasnât been for a long, long time.
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Why all the hate?
Heâs actually quite right, you know. It should have been Congress that put something like DACA into place. But that wasnât going to happen with Obama in the White House because (and I suspect Graham is honest enough to admit this) the only thing Congress was going to do about anything Obama proposed or would favor was to say âNo!!!â So he â craftily and for the good of the country â âoverreachedâ and got it done by Executive Order: putting a good program in place and, as we see, making it difficult for the Reps to get rid of it even with one of their own in the White House and in charge of both houses. â But it shouldnât have been an Exec. Order because, as we also see, that makes it too vulnerable.
If Graham (whoâs never high on #45âs favorite people list) simply said âI opposeâ that would accomplish nothing except to make him more determined to kill it. By saying âI wonât oppose IF you add the 6 month stayâ heâs telling his compatriots, who are voicing their opposition now, thatâs itâs going to be time for them to put up or shut up - and heâs got a bipartisan bill ready if they want to live up to what they are now saying. No one can stop #45 from doing what he wants ⌠it was an Executive Order and so he can kill it by the same method ⌠so I think Grahamâs statement is about the only sensible one he could make in the circumstances â it gives a lot of impetus for the Reps to actually join with the Dems and pass something; it commits him (Graham) to working to get something passed; and it also signals #45 that his "power"to kill the program may not be so powerful after all (and in the process telling Tâs base that their hero not really living up to that promise - just going through the motions.). It wouldnât take too many others to join Graham and, if successful, it would give the Dreamers the full protection of law that they should have had in the first place.
Iâm old enough to remember when some pretty good things â like the Civil Rights acts â got accomplished by Dems and some Reps working together. What I donât remember from that time is the liberal Democrats nastily demonizing any Republican who did anything that didnât have their 100% approval. #45 âgovernsâ (or tries to) by tossing out ugly insults left and right ⌠I guess I expect more of the people who oppose him.
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Exactly. And weâre not dealing with a decent person or a pragmatic administrator. Itâs Donnie Two Scoops the Asshole.
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In this case, itâs about cowardice as much as anything. Trump is completely cowed by the threat of a lawsuit to be filed by people representing his base if he doesnât do this tomorrow.
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Graham Backs Trump Ending DACA So Congress Can Protect Dreamers
Trump Ending Trumpâs Ending
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Congress basically went on strike while the black man occupied the White House. They simply refused to do their jobs, forcing PBO to carry the government on his shoulders. So now, they have to play catchup on a host of important issues while dealing with an immature brat as President.
They failed on ACA repeal and will most likely fail on tax reform. Only way fixing DACA happens is if they choose to work with Democrats for a change. I suppose weâll see how that plays out.
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What a shock of crit. Republicans have held the House since 2011 and the Senate since 2015. Not one peep about helping children whose parents brought them here unlawfully. Suddenly they changed their mind? Great! Vote!
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âLetâs pass this godawful thing none of us want so we can maybe fix it somedayâ is the new GOP approach to governance. Flagrant disfunction as go to policy. Breathtaking
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This is a potential double edged sword - on the one hand it adds one more thing to get in the way of the gopersâ destructive agenda (assuming they feel they need to fix this or are really fucked in 2018). On the other hand they could produce a decent bill and then tie it to some abomination and toss to the Dems to decide. The latter may be a bit tricky for the gopers since being the majority they will get much of the blame regardless.
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Yes. As you note, DACA as an executive order was always going to be vulnerable, even to a president less malicious than Trump. Far better for Congress to pass a reasonable replacement that will be permanent.
And the political winds have changed since Obamaâs order. You see Paul Ryan telling der Furor not to end DACA. You see many corporate leaders saying the same thing. You see stories about some of the first responders to Harveywho are Dreamers. It is now a popular program.
The first question is whether Ryan and McTurtle will prevent a vote if they know that a bill will pass only with the support of all or almost all Democrats and a minority of Republicans. I suspect that theyâll find a way to round up enough votes from their own party to pass something.
The second question is whether the bill that gets voted on is reasonable. Will it provide a path to citizenship, even a long one? What will it provide for new dreamersâchildren brought into the country from now on?
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This Republican Congress come up with a solution? Hahahahaha. Just make the Dreamers all wear a swastika for six months, Senator? The Conservative Movement is going right down the drainâŚwhere it belongs with the rest of the NeoNazis.
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Thatâs like a defense attorney arguing that the accused bank robberâs previous 17 convictions for bank robbery should not be admitted as evidence in the current case. And you certainly can look at a particular situation without the historical context. But it would be misleading here. Graham has a long, long history of backstabbing, table-turning, base-pandering, and talking out of both sides of his mouth. Where was he in the ACA repeal? So letâs not hear about how reasonable heâs being. Obama was reasonable for eight years and it didnât do him one damn bit of good. Reagan and Tip are figures from a past that isnât too relevant to, or useful as a guide in, the current situation.
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Surely, they could pass a unanimous-consent request immediately.
To just rename DACA as GOPA, Obamacare as Trumpcare, and Medicaid as Reaganaid.
It would save a lot of time (and suffering).
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Shorter Lindsey Graham: âthe GOP Congress will fail to replace DACA and blame President Obama when we deport 800,000 Dreamers. Itâs a win â win.â
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Mmm, Reaganade. Tastes just like the water down in Philadelphia, Mississippi.
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Even money sez Lovely Linzzaayy probably backs THAT, too!
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He (Trump) is also a coward when it comes to standing up to his most malevolent and ignorant supporters. Heâs afraid that they wonât show up to cheer at his rallies if he doesnât behave in the cruelest way possible.
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In an ideal world you are correct. In 2017 America you are pollyannish to hope the Trump GOP doesnât use DACA legislation as blackmail for some terrible proposal like the stupid Mexico wall or, even worse, tying it to tax cuts for the rich.
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