Discussion: 'Lies': Trump's SOTU Speech Lands Flat With Furious Democrats

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“He seems to have no interest in governing to and with and for the two-thirds of the people of the country that don’t seem to much like him.”

While I agree, all I can say is “d’oh”.

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Didn’t watch Fredo. How slow was his delivery on his tel-e-promp-ter? Dubya quality or more low-energy Jeb?

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I avoid listening to this fool at all costs, so I didn’t watch the SOTU. I was also one of those who thought Dems should just protest this thing en masse, even though I thought that was a choice for each member to decide for themselves.

That said, after reading this piece, it sounds like Dems put on quite a show. It sounds like going and registering their outrage and general disrespect was a much better play than sitting it out and having their seats filled by PP supporting, sycophantic assholes. Instead, Americans who tuned in got to see that the Resistance is strong. There’s really something to be said for showing up before a bully, witnessing a thing, and letting it be known that you won’t back down (Damn, I miss Tom Petty.)

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It was slow - because Trump stopped after almost every sentence to applaud himself (really, he did)

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I understand it was really, really slow, and that he often paused to clap for himself. Just think about that.

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Don’t get mad, get EVEN! Make waves, blue waves, big blue waves all year long leading into the midterms.

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It would have been a nice touch if all of the Dem women were wearing those pink knit p___ hats with ears. Kinda reinforce and resonate with the #metoo movement.

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I heard … on the internet …

that some like to have certain hired people piss on them and say it’s raining —

but then there are others … who DON’T –

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I thought the Dems did a good job…they almost never stood for anything Trump said, but they did for all of the Americans Trump used as props. That’s not anything I have ever seen, and it definitely got under Trump’s skin…a couple of times he turned on a line that normally would have received a stand from everyone to get applause from the Dems, then turned away in a bit of pique towards the Republicans. I also saw him wave people up a couple times, and it was amusing watching Pence and Ryan and their kabuki theater in pushing as many ovations as they could. It was clear posturing, just like everything else, and not responding was really the best answer.

Now, the hard work starts…the question is if Democrats can overcome gerrymandering, a horrid Senate map, and their own internal warfare over being “liberal enough”, to put two Democrats behind Trump for the next SOTU.

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The speech was too long, boring, and full of dog whistles. The lies about chain migration and the diversity lottery were staggering. I was not going to listen but made myself. Trump can read a speech haltingly from a teleprompter and that’s it.

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TPM should award a ’ badge ’ for that … thanks —

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Didn’t see this until after the teeth-grinding SOTU, and some commentaries:

[1]: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-says-it-will-be-hard-to-unify-country-without-a-major-event

Trump says it will be hard to unify country without a ‘major event’
Politics Jan 30, 2018 4:37 PM EST

Hours before his first State of the Union, President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he wants to unite the country amid “tremendous divisiveness” and hopes he can do so without a traumatic event affecting Americans.

Trump spoke about creating a more united country during a lunch with a number of television news anchors. Trump said the United States has long been divided, including during the impeachment of former president Bill Clinton. Trump also said that Americans usually come together during times of suffering…

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So, does he have a Plan B if his speech doesn’t get enough likes?

The invited guests with the FLOTUS certainly highlighted suffering. (She didn’t look too happy, either. No pussy-bow for her this time.)

So, having the Russians still up in our business, endangering our democracy, is not a major event? The intel community seems to consider us losing an ongoing cyber-war to Trump’s darling Russia.

Or how about having the DOJ and FBI leadership knocked out or aside, one by one, with not much more to go until he finds the next Bork to take Mueller off his pins? Not a word about this?

The night before the SOTU, I heard Jill Wine-Banks, an assistant prosecutor for Watergate, say (on MSNBC, on Chris Hayes or Brian, I think) that for the first time she had fear for our democracy.

Then this morning, Trump refuses to implement the Russia sanctions both houses of Congress passed with overwhelming, veto-proof majorities right after (or before) his inauguration. That, and the above-referenced musings about that “traumatic event”? Busy morning, Mr. President. (Damn, I should have checked his Twitter feed, but I hate the thing.)

I’m furious, frightened, and signing off before I give the computer some percussive maintenance it doesn’t deserve. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if Ms. Wine-Banks is correct, there’s a democracy to try – somehow – to help save tomorrow.

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Kind of says it all.

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What A Difference A Day Makes

“To everyone still recovering in Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands — everywhere — we are with you, we love you, and we always will pull through together, always.”
— Comrade Cockholster, State of the Union, Jan. 30, 2018

Fun Fact: FEMA is ending food and water aid to Puerto Rico on Jan. 31, 2018
[source: FEMA To End Food And Water Aid For Puerto Rico : The Two-Way : NPR]

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I too was wishing that more Ds had boycotted (or, en masse, stood up, turned their backs, and left), but you’ve raised some really good points.

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That’s… poetry.

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I’m still disappointed the Dems who attended weren’t all wearing shark hats and armed with cricket clickers.

I wonder why Malaria and Cockholster arrived (and left) in separate cars together?

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The Resistance and #metoo are much bigger than ugly ass, knitted hats. I don’t blame them for taking a pass on that one.

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