I’m sorry, I missed your point here because you failed to put it in ALL CAPS…
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No, it’s not my dilemma, it’s actually your’s but nice projection you’ve got there. And way to ignore the other groups I pointed out as well as individuals, so that you can focus solely on the point you want to make. Moms Demand Action, AARP, and Emily’s List aren’t corporations, they’re lobbyists pushing for progressive action. Planned Parenthood, Move on, etc, much like the NRA, lobby Congress to enact their agenda. And what’s being labeled “Wall Street money” is in many instances money coming from individuals. Should only people who work in industries “liberals” approve of be able to donate to Democratic candidates?
Yes, because you’re oh so much wiser. How do any of us Clinton supporters ever even leave the house without a Sanders supporter to tell us how to do it?
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Right, because there couldn’t possibly be any other reason. It’s literally inconceivable that people don’t like her as a person, rather than as a woman.
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You don’t sound like you love it.
Geez, defensive much? Progressives comprise one part of the democratic big tent. Hopefully, that part will continue to grow until it’s perhaps a majority.
But it’s going to take time.
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You don’t think Clinton supporters can be progressive?
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Because it is being twisted into some kind of a pretzel. "Are you now in possession of a corporate contribution or have you ever accepted one?’ ( Nevermind that prior to the Internet refusing to do so was the equivalent of unilateral disarmament. ). What about accepting an ad from an undesirable group?
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Damnit. And I thought those muttonchops on Chester A. Arthur was a sure thing he was a real badass. Very little graft in his administration. Strangely uncorrupt for his time…and seemingly lost to history. But charisma…I’m starting think, that too is in the eye of the beholder.
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Yes! She nailed it. I love seeing her her cutting up with Jimmy, I’m still feeling the Bern, but will HAPPILY support Hillary when and if the time comes.
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No. It’s because we have seen too much of this.
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And I just love how Sanders supporters get angry and offended when someone points out a fact (that Bernie’s not a Democrat) they don’t want to hear. You’re the only one whining about second class status in the party, a party which Sanders isn’t even a part of, a party he only recently started claiming. And if he were really being given second class status, he wouldn’t have been allowed on the debate stage nor would he have been given the Democratic apparatus to use to build his campaign.
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I think most of her supporters aren’t. In this thread alone we have jokes about unicorns and revolutions. As if the very act of having progressive ideas is something to be ridiculed. Plus Hillary herself has historically not categorized herself that way. I’m sure some progressives are voting for her because they just genuinely like her more, or think she’s more electable, and that’s their right, but I doubt there are a lot of them.
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You sure you want to put HAPPILY in caps. I hear that’s a no-no.
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lol! I did it before reading the thread. I’m feeling rebellious…think i’ll keep it in caps.
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I don’t like Obama as a person, because I don’t know him personally. However, both Obama and Clinton have demonstrated their commitment to and effectiveness at public service, which is why I voted for him and will vote for her. This penchant for personalizing politics is part of the problem. I might not like my boss, but I get my work done regardless… think about it.
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So let me get this straight… You’re arguing that Sanders is not a democrat while pointing out that the democratic party thinks he’s a democrat. Are they stupid?
Just a couple of days ago I got a DNC survey in the mail that was asking for donations while at the same time using the word “progressive” several times in their letter. They are clearly trying to attach themselves to Sanders’ wave of populism, and not the other way around.
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I think the tenor of this thread, until Osage’s dire post, was lighthearted and humorous because the subject is a comedy bit on late-night TV.
And seriously, you don’t think the criticisms about Hillary being too wonkish, too shrill, too loud, too predisposed to pantsuits, is just a bit much?
Partisan politics aside, can’t we at least laugh about this whole mansplaining meme?
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Yes, on that I agree, absolutely.
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Yes. The deep well of hatred has nothing really to do with the reality of her as a human being – its a caricature of her – a projection. And what about her is so damned threatening that makes her so much worse and different than any other politician? Its her gender. The criticism that she is a tool, a sell out, corrupt, entitled, conniving, arrogant, a war monger – same nasty shit thrown at Obama but substitute uppity, playing the race card, a war criminal, or the progressive’s preferred smear – Uncle Tom. Any democrat who is clear headed, knows full well she is going to be our nominee, and the policy differences between her and Sanders are minor compared to what we face in Trump or Cruz. To continue to rail at her, given the real evil we are facing, speaks to a level of hatred that is not rational. Its primitive – and yes, its sexist.
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Hard to find good pixie dust these days … it’s all gluten free now … sigh
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Hah. Yeah, I’ve always been into ignoring those ‘bourgeois’ conventions and standard ways of doing things too. I think of it as my own personal form of revolution. Viva la Revolucion!
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