It seems really good science fiction stopped being published around the time we actually started living it…
In addition to being valid - which any attorney not graduated from Liberty U. or one of the other evangeliQs that issue Dgrees will assure you they most assuredly are (My theory is that this goofy choice aims to unnerve license-holders who’ve received them or others who might incline to seek to receive one.) - the IRONY here is these ‘altered weenie-verse’ licenses are now collectors’ items, with the cash-in money value well beyond merely permitting marriage.
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Thing is, she is now suing (apparently) to make the Governor recognize that licenses with her name on them aren’t valid. It seems as though she wants her “beliefs” to now be adjudicated in court. That may end up being a good thing, at the end of the day. Assuming she gets her beliefs smacked down.
For me, this reeks of Jim Crow/Segregation tactics. So you say you want to attend the same schools? Fine, the government is forcing us to allow it, so okay, you can attend the same schools. But, how are you going to get there? Ha! We’ll just make laws saying buses can’t be integrated!
Here, she appears to be saying that:
- Sure, same sex marriage can be legal, and I have no problem with that, but:
- I don’t want my name on the licenses, because it violates my narrowly held beliefs that I cherry-picked, and
- Any license without my name on it isn’t legal/valid. Also,
- Any license with my name on it isn’t legal/valid since …see number 2.
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Kim Davis on Monday said that her legal team will file a new lawsuit against Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear (D), accusing him of failing to provide an accommodation for Davis.
Why? Did Governor Beshear promise her such an accommodation but fail to deliver? Was he somehow contractually obligated to provide her with such an accommodation?
I don’t really see grounds for a lawsuit here. You’re not the victim, Kim; you’re the bully.
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And how long until she files suit with the state to claim that they should not acknowledge any license from her office without her name on it as valid?
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Cf. “Zimmerman, George.”
I think she wants a mint on her pillow each night.
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'Zactly. A sure conversation starter that would command $$$ on Ebay right now much less the value the document will command on Antiques Roadshow 2035.
Driving past the pitiful little Pentecostal church in the neighboring town yesterday, I was reminded of the grinding poverty endured by most of that offshoot anamist, not really Christian, belief…But not our Kim. She’s been looking like a long sleeved, GOP-jacked-up Sarah Palin with her new wardrobe of high-fashion color hillbilly chadors…Like an image consultant with some bucks had his devil’s way with her.
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Yeah, this has to be costing a ton. And is pointless. I do not think he has to accommodate her in this. The easiest accommodation would honestly be to just merge the clerk’s office with another office and make her job moot. Fire everyone in it, save money in the process and not have to worry about this sort of thing.
Liberty Counsel will never tire of the free publicity garnered from filing suits. Davis will never tire of filing them so long as Liberty Counsel is willing to do it. The court system is not empowered to pronounce “No more suits, this is over, you’re done.” New claims, modified claims, amended claims, new grounds, appeals, appeals of appeals, Davis can do this for years if she chooses to. We all should get used to it.This will be going on when you’re casting ballots in November, 2016 for various offices. We’ll have a new President and she’ll be clogging the system with suits.
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Even if they do/did, they won’t be back in session until January, and KY simply can’t afford to call a special session over this asshole.
No, that wouldn’t be the easiest accomodation because it would require another, likely overworked office, to pick up the slack for the various licenses the County Clerk’s office issues. Not only that, but it’s an elected office. Beshear should just continue doing what he’s doing, which is to slap her down at every turn.
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Rowan County should sue Kim for her perjured oath, fraudulent election bid and the cost of this nonsense.
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So Davis says licenses without her name are invalid, and she altered the licenses to remove her name when she got in this morning.
It’s time for her to go back to jail. Whether her interpretation of the law is correct or not, she is trying to not issue licenses.
The Governor cannot give her an accommodation from federal law. She needs to do her fricking job, and since that seems to be impossible, she can quit.
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And how long until she files suit with the state to claim that they should not acknowledge any license from her office without her name on it as valid?
The answer to that is directly proportional to her desire to stay out of jail. If she wants to go back to jail quickly, she will file suit quickly alleging that the licenses she created, that she withdrew her name from, that she meddled with are invalid.
If she wants to stay out of jail, she will bitch and moan in social media and stay far away from legal proceedings on this specific point.
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First, people need to get better at telling the difference between explaining an argument and claiming that it’s correct or would work in a court of law. It gets tiring having to defend one’s self from “nuh uh, that’s wrong” when all you were doing was explaining what someone was arguing, not saying it was right or effective.
Second, not really on the “Assent” issue. She can still claim they are acting without her authorization. Short of attempting to physically restrain them, she can’t stop them from pushing the paper around. Is that what you’re saying she has to do in order to prove she’s not authorizing this and doesn’t “assent” by “allowing” it to take place? What more could she possibly do to prevent it without having to get physical with her deputies?
Third, she is under a court order. That’s “coercion” in the context of whether she is “assenting” and permitting this to take place voluntarily.
Fourth, she’s altered the forms such that she can claim they are unauthorized forms, do not bear her authorization and are invalid applications and marriage licenses. This is where her shit falls apart and shows she’s not really assenting or even complying with the court’s order. She’s taken deliberate steps to make sure that there are legal validity issues clouding these marriage licenses in order to protect her own narrow minded beliefs by figuring “if they’re not valid, then real gay marriages aren’t taking place, so I’m off the hook with God.” Her intent is clear: fake superficial compliance while trying to prevent and undermine actual compliance. Her true intent works against the argument that she’s “assented.”
Fifth, is she batshit crazy and are her arguments total nonsense and likely to land her back in jail? Yes, and I certainly hope she spends more time in jail and that her lawyers suffer sanctions and disbarment. However, her being wrong on how this all works doesn’t mean your argument that she is “assenting” holds water either. It doesn’t. She’s “complying” with a court order, which is legally different.
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From my read of the Washington Post reporting it sounds as if the license changes were made at the behest of a more official hand than Kim’s chubby paw…but the reporting I’ve read isn’t clear on this point.
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I just threw up in my mouth a little bit…
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Just what other body hairs is she sinning against God by trimming??? Good Lord, what’s next, swimming with hubby 2 & 4???
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GO AWAY, GO AWAY GO AWAY 
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I thought the state did provide resonable accomidation for Ms. Davis - at the Grey Bar Hotel
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