Discussion: Kasich: Government Shutdowns Can Work, But Not Just To Make A Point

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Government shutdowns only work to shutdown the government. If you want to make a point, Kasich, go spray paint the Lincoln Memorial–it will be noticed, but less costly to vulnerable citizens.

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So the best way to get something done is to do nothing?

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I dn completely agree with all that he said, but this guy makes way too much sense to have the support of the R’s

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Kasich is overlooking the fact that one reason for the 1995 shutdown was that Gingrich was having a hissy fit over having to leave Air Force One by the back door with the staff and not out the front door with the President.

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This shows that Kasich is nearly as extreme as all the other Klowns on the bus. He just sounds more reasonable, which is why he’s more dangerous in a general election. I hope that his squeakings that sound more reasonable piss off enough of the GOP base who crave the red-meat lunacy that Cruz, Trump, Walker, and Carson are offering. At some point, and maybe it’s even started to happen, Bush supporters are going to start silently slinking away from Jeb! and Kasich is the most logical landing point for them.

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I agree, if Kasich is the most dangerous Republican in the general, by far. He just needs to survive a few months and support will start moving to him from the other contenders.

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I don’t see any compelling reason for Kasich to receive the majority of Bush’s support as he continues to crater. My thinking is they will splinter off between Kasich, Rubio and Walker (some even getting behind Fiorina, but she isn’t a real candidate…too much of her funding is coming from people that are MUCH more heavily invested in other candidates. She is being propped up so they can have a woman in the race, if she becomes an actual threat, they pull the plug on her money overnight).

Which is the very real problem for all of the establishment candidates. As long as they continue to split that vote, it leaves open a big door for one of the anti-establishment candidates…who have huge leads over any one of the establishment ones. Remember, the majority of the elections through March are proportional.

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A government shutdown is a successful path to a balanced budget in the same way that a suicide attempt is a successful means of getting attention.

Edit: I’m also reminded of Sheriff Bart: “Do what he say!!!”

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I’ve heard this approach before but I can’t quite put my finger on it…oh, I KNOW!

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"“The government shutdown actually worked because it ended up, Brian, at the end of the day producing the first balanced budget since we walked on the moon,”

Backwards nonsense. The only thing that “worked” about it is that it FAILED. In other words, the GOP threw their tantrum and it backfired in their faces, doing them massive PR and political damage, so they realized that they had to go to the table and negotiate with Clinton and play nice, not just stomp their feet, beat their chests and demand that they get their way “or else.”

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““A government shut down will work if you can actually see your way to a successful resolution,””

Teatroll Rosetta Stone: “A gov’t shutdown will work if it turns out that it worked.”

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I think Walker is damaged goods at this point—there’s no upward momentum for him. What made me think up until recently that he was likely to be the candidate—a well-funded midwestern governor with a track record of electoral success against Democrats—has been made irrelevant by the fact that he’s revealed himself to be as much of a dopey stooge as those in Wisconsin have been telling us. Rubio has a different geographic base down in FL, but I just don’t think he’s every really going to impress enough people because he’s just another gasbag Senator who doesn’t have to actually manage anything in the way that a governor typically does.

Your larger point about the over-supply of candidates is correct, though… if the “establishment” field was just Bush and Kasich, the latter’s task would be much easier than it is.

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Kasich was a Fox News host a la O’Reilly and Sir Rupert reportedly likes him. That tells me all I need to know. He has learned how to sound reasonable compared to the hair-on-fire right wingers, but his policies are going to be pretty much out of the standard GOP conservative playbook. No thanks.

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LOLOLOLOL Kasich’s spox have ALWAYS had to clean up after the Boss said something stupid.

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“The government shutdown actually worked because it ended up, Brian, at the end of the day producing the first balanced budget since we walked on the moon,” Kasich told Fox News radio host Brian Kilmeade when asked about the 1995 shutdown and how another government closure could hurt Republicans.

> “A government shut down will work if you can actually see your way to a successful resolution,” Kasich, who was a member of Congress in 1995, continued.

Now i’m going to somewhat ignore that Kasich and Kilmeade used to be colleagues, because asking Fox News anything to fact check any important date is likely a waste of time. However what Kasich and Kilmeade (and others) ignore is the following:

A “funding-gap” was created when the two chambers of Congress failed to agree to an appropriations continuing resolution. The Republican-led House of Representatives, in part pressured by conservative senators such as Ted Cruz[5] and conservative groups such as Heritage Action,[6][7][8] offered several continuing resolutions with language delaying or defunding the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (commonly known as “Obamacare”). The Democratic-led Senate passed several amended continuing resolutions for maintaining funding at then-current sequestration levels with no additional conditions. Political fights over this and other issues between the House on one side and President Barack Obama and the Senate on the other led to a budget impasse which threatened massive disruption

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When the previous fiscal year ended on September 30, 1995, the Democratic President and the Republican-controlled Congress had not passed a budget. A majority of Congress members and the House Speaker, Newt Gingrich, had promised to slow the rate of government spending; however, this conflicted with the President’s objectives for education, the environment, Medicare, and public health.1 According to Bill Clinton’s autobiography, their differences resulted from differing estimates of economic growth, medical inflation, and anticipated revenues

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Now within reason Congress and a Democratic president have fought over similar things in the past, but evidently Kasich is couching a ‘successful resolution’ on short term memories.

According to Gingrich, positive impacts of the government shutdown included the balanced-budget deal in 1997 and the first four consecutive balanced budgets since the 1920s. In addition, Gingrich stated that the first re-election of a Republican majority since 1928 was due in part to the Republican Party’s hard line on the budget.[19][20] The Republican Party had a net loss of three seats in the House in the 1996 elections but retained a 227-206 seat majority. In the Senate, Republicans gained two seats.

Because that’s how Gingrich evidently saw it and considering what happened last year, he was proven right again.

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That has always been his game since he was my congresscritter.

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I said this months ago: if JEB appears to be flaming out, at some point, the GOP establishment will have to put one of their own in the race and “that one” is Kasich. It’s a no brainer. As it stands now, he doesn’t appear to have much support. But - and this is big - if there’s a brokered convention, he may very well take center stage. Ironically, at the beginning of this summer, JEB’s people were openly saying that having Rump in the race was really good for him because he made JEB look great by comparison. Between the two of them, it would be a cinch for JEB to lead the pack.

Well, that didn’t happen. Right now, JEB has NO natural base of support other than wealthy GOP donors. That’s it and that, along with his truly low energy campaign, won’t cut it.

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Not only that but the budget was balanced because of the tax policy implemented by the Dems that ended up not only increasing revenue but, sadly, also giving us Newt Gingrich as Speaker in 1995.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha… I think Kaisch has been hitting the bottle a little too much lately. The Republicans did everything in their power to kill the economic recovery that Clinton was shepherding and the only interest they had was poking a stick in Slick Willie’s eye… to their usual Wiley Coyote effect.

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