Discussion for article #235712
āI donāt think we should be able to force anybody to go against their beliefs in this country. I think that we all can live peaceably together without having to force our will on somebody else and thatās what this situationās really turned into ācan somebody force somebody else to do something against their will?ā Aaron Klein told The Daily Signal. āAnd the state of Oregon said yes, you can.ā
Someone needs to sit these two down and explain that this is exactly what theyāre doing to other people when they act like this. They are forcing their beliefs on someone else.
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What is most delicious? The $135,000 will go to the gay couple. All those rubes donating to the Kleins are enriching the Bowman-Cryers
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āI donāt think we should be able to force anybody to go against their beliefs in this country. I think that we all can live peaceably together without having to force our will on somebody else and thatās what this situationās really turned into ācan somebody force somebody else to do something against their will?ā
Nobodyās forcing you to bake cakes for the public for a living. Donāt like it? Take your clownshow out of the public accommodations business. Just a helpful hint: running a lunch counters probably isnāt for you either.
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Bingo! And I really really hope that the agencies and courts responsible for these types of actions and determining these types of damages start taking the availability of bigot fundraising into account when determining the amount of damages that is reasonable. Frankly, if I were their lawyer, Iād be seeking reconsideration and a ruling that the damages should be whatever gets fundraised plus some other amount, such that these people donāt profit off their bigotry, actually suffer for it and to send the public policy message that the bigotry and discrimination are not profitable and will be costly.
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Iāve never understood the logic behind the supposed religious objection to baking a cake for a gay wedding. The bakers donāt object to baking the cake; they object to what the buyers are doing with it after itās baked. Are we to assume thatāunder their logicāthereās a general religious exemption if you donāt like what someoneās doing with your product? Should a Jewish knife maker be able to refuse to sell a knife to a person who intends to butcher hogs with it?
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Whoās forcing their will on who? If you are open to the public, you donāt get to decide who the public is. Pretty simple really. And whoever thinks that baking a cake makes you a participant in a wedding has delusions of grandeur if you ask me.
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You werenāt asked to marry someone of the same sex. You were asked to make a cake.
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Whatever they may be saying in public, I bet they really wish they had just baked the damn cake.
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FWIW, that $135,000 fine wonāt be confirmed. The Oregon scheme in question provides for ārecommendationsā. There are hundreds of such Human Rights anti-discrimination schemes throughout North America and western Europe. Theyāre almost all designed as an exercise in social engineering thru the shame of public exposure and ritual condemnation. This goal is greatly emphasized at the lower levels of the scheme, so typically, at the absolute lowest level the primary investigation, on completing itās work and filing a report to the first (and lowest level) adjudicator will make recommendations based on what might change not just the attitudes under scrutiny, but the entire environment. Where there are such schemes in the U.S., lowest level adjudicators tend to be appointed by the state governor from a list approved by either his party or by activist organizations, and in areas like this one, very often, especially in predominantly blue and progressive states, the governor and/or his party will already have pretty much ceded the appointment process to activist organizations. The result is very little if any distance between the investigating agency and the lowest level adjudicator; indeed, the often work out of the same offices (off the US armed services JAG model, in case anyone thinks this sort of mindset is peculiar to liberals and progressives; indeed, industry watchdogs tend towards the same mindset, as we should have learned from how the GW Bush administration conducted it deciderishly presidental governating [sic]).
As a given case works up thru the appeal systems, the process tends to become much more leavened by gridlock partisanship, which, in this case, could result in anything from a lessening of the damages to returning it to the lowest level adjudicator with directions.
The problem is that, with these schemed, often the only āteachingā tool they have are these ādamagesā pronouncements. So, they tend to get over-muscled and very often get used, quite deliberately, as a way of āshockingā both miscreants and the public.
In this case, given the precedent in the No Pizza For You Gays! encyclical out of that pizza joint Dipwad Indiana, Iām figuring this uberXian baker couple will have the damages paid for them, in full, by uberXian fund raisers across the great red parts of this land.
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The way things went with the Dipwad Indiana pizza joint, this coupleās going to make enough off fund-raising to fund a chain of No Cake For You Dirty Gayz outlets.
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Unfortunately, I think they stand to make a lot more than this on the Wingnut Welfare Train. At least at the moment, it seems like bigotry pays. Alas, this too shall pass.
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Thereās a place called āNothing Bundt Cakesā where I used to live in Mississippi.
I feel thereās a pun that could be made here.
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I think that we all can live peaceably together without having to force our will on somebody else and thatās what this situationās really turned into ācan somebody force somebody else to do something against their will?
Nobodyās forcing you to do a damn thing. No one forced you to open a cake baking business. No one forced you believe thereās something wrong with gays getting married. No one forced you to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple. No one forced you to break the law. You made these choices all along the way and now youāre living with the consequences of those choices.
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Heads will explode on Fox tomorrow.
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āNo cakes for you gay boys ā youāve had enough bundts!ā
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Or as we call it, a typical day on Fox
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No one is forcing them to go against their beliefs. If they believe it is wrong to bake for a gay couple, they can choose to leave that business. No one is forcing them to be bakers. But if they are in a business that serves the public, they need to do just that. Serve the public: ALL of them.
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These two make themselves out to be the victims of - something or other. The truth is the lesbian couple were regular patrons of the bakery. One of the plaintiffs came in with her mother for a wedding cake tasting, never expecting what happened. Aaron Klein was such an asshole about it that she left in tears. For a couple of weeks Xtian bigots flooded the place, but when that was over they closed down. They now operate out of their house; if there is any justice, they will have to sell it to pay the fine. They keep portraying themselves as āfaithfulā when they are really hateful.
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āI donāt think we should be able to force anybody to go against their beliefs in this country. I think that we all can live peaceably together without having to force our will on somebody else and thatās what this situationās really turned into ācan somebody force somebody else to do something against their will?ā Aaron Klein told The Daily Signal. "
Spoken 12 days after Tax Day.
Yes, you imbecile, a government can force you to do things against your beliefs and will.
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