It has nothing to do with a religious belief, its a bigoted belief and nothing more. Much like bigots used religion to argue against civil rights for blacks in the past. If there is a god or a Jesus they must surely be ashamed of their “sheep”…
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My first thought exactly. Just try telling the government they can’t make you pay taxes if you don’t want to, and see how far you get.
@dyrnych They are not objecting to what the buyers are doing with it either. The buyers are planning on eating the cake. They are objecting to where they are planning on eating said cake. That is even more ridiculous.
When I first read the recommendation, I thought, “that seems high”, while they should be punished, driving their business under and putting the owners into bankruptcy over one cake might be excessive. But then I remembered Wingnut Welfare ®. I think you are right, that the courts should consider any money that comes from the bigots’ donors. That being said, a big enough settlement just serves to transfer the money out of the hands of the bigots and into the hands of the aggrieved. Wealth redistribution!
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Unfortunately, my feeling is that the lessons are never really learned. Too often people act like they are martyrs than try to learn anything from being punished.
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“I don’t think we should be able to force anybody to go against their beliefs in this country.”
Nobody is forcing you to operate a business open to the public. So the choice is, in the end, still yours. Choose to discriminate and break the law (and pay the consequences) or don’t discriminate and don’t break the law… or choose to not be a business because you can’t follow the law.
Of course the obvious thing is, you can believe whatever you want, but what you do (violate anti-discrimination law) does have consequences.
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“I don’t think we should be able to force anybody to go against their beliefs in this country.”
Well, the reason we have laws is that some people may believe they can do something that the rest of us believe is harmful. Otherwise, we wouldn’t need laws. If you mean religious beliefs, well, just because you’re a bigot and consider yourself religious and affiliate with others who feel the same way doesn’t mean those beliefs are religious beliefs. And hating gays is not a religious belief, it’s a prejudice.
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Maybe, IF they refused to make a wedding cake for a couple that is marrying after divorce I might think they have real religious convictions. My guess is that they have made lots of cakes for people on their second, third or fourth marriages.
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Or better yet for those “conservative” folks who can’t seem to get with the program… are they looking to argue that gun shop owner is responsible for the buyer robbing a bank with it?
Is GM responsible for someone using a Chevy as a get-away vehicle?
Questions I don’t believe these clowns have really thought through.
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Should a Christian knife maker be able to refuse to sell a knife to a Mohel?
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Roger Ailes demonstrates for his drone and squeaking blonde bunny fluffle of news readers how they should react to this news when presenting it to FOX’s no information audience:
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Their Gofundme page was shut down.
And adulterers. And sluts on birth control. And pedophiles, for all we know. Do they have their customers fill out a moral questionnaire to make sure they won’t be forced to bake a cake for sinners?
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I hope the Klein’s also understand that following their logic, no one should be forced to serve them since their views pervert the teachings of Christ.
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“Hey, how come those guys in Indiana get all this love from the Fundies just for making shitty pizza and all we get is a court order?”
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If someone buys a Christmas tree, do they have to use it for Christmas, or can they use it for some other ritual instead? Because Christmas trees and wedding cakes are holy Christian relics. It’s in the Bible.
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…and why should these modern day Lester Maddox’s get to discriminate in there business any more that Lester did?
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments
and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance— that principle is
contempt prior to investigation.” – HERBERT SPENCER
I call bullshit on the Kleins, who are completely different persons from Sweet Cakes by Melissa, and were happy to accept the bundle of privileges and immunities which Oregon gave Sweet Cakes by Melissa, until Sweet Cakes by Melissa got caught breaking the law.
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Who ‘forced’ you to go into business? No one! You decided all on your own to start up a bakery and open it to the public. When you do that, you have to abide by the rules that everyone else lives by. Period!
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The bakers in this case show their insensitivity. All they were asked to do was bake a damned cake. It’s not like they had to perform the wedding and then spend the night with the happy couple in their bedroom. Sell the cake to the couple and that is the end of it.
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