If this were a more simplistic world and/or she were a more simplistic person, she could take more binary type stances and focus more directly on black and white positions.
But it’s not, and she’s not.
The world and the vast majority of its issues are full of nuances and grey areas which any thoughtful advocate takes into consideration.
President Obama recognized that in his speech at Howard University, and specifically pointed out how a recognition of nuances can serve to strengthen an advocate’s ability to reach out to those who may appear to be in a position of opposition, and find enough legitimate common ground to form alliances on issues of common concern.
Secretary Clinton was able to do that as a Senator, and as a Secretary of State, and it will be one of her strong points as President.
yes i agree with this. i’ve heard many personal accounts of how warm and funny and human she is. her public persona is so controlled though. Mitt Romney had a similar problem.
And Sanders supporters think Clinton supporters are corrupt, corporatist, DLC, Third Way, Wall Street apologists, impure DINOs who helped cheat their candidate into the nomination. See, two can play that game.
But if you aren’t with the Democratic nominee against Trump then there is certainly something very wrong with you. That would be true if Sanders or Clinton was the nominee. Anyone who votes for Trump by either doing so outright or not voting for Clinton has something very seriously wrong with them. That much should be obvious.
Curiously, I don’t even miss Jon Stewart. Samantha Bee and John Oliver more than make up for his absence.
In fact, Samantha Bee is way better than Jon Stewart ever was. Jon Stewart always tried to sound even handed, but it came off as typical false-equivalency.
The only trouble with Bee and Oliver is that they are only on once a week.
yeah, i’m not passionate about either candidate. but I do think it was a productive primary season that lead to a lot of policy articulation and moved the party left. i’ll vote for whomever wins the nomination, which will be Hillary Clinton unless something catastrophic happens. let’s hope she’s a better President than she was Senator. As you say, she’s the only thing standing between us and Trump.
This is a narrative designed to make it hard for her to pivot to the “center” in the general. It’s the prerogative of those who want to pull her to the left to push these memes.
No politician has ever been on the ass-kicking end of a 25-year witch hunt like Hillary has and she has always come out on top. Either she is as clean as a whistle and everyone attacking her is full of shit, or she is greatest evil genius that ever walked the earth. Either way, I love it. Either she’s a saint or she’s Satan. I don’t care. America wins either way with her in the White House.
IIRC Bernie suppoted sending troops into Iraq under UN supervision. If that is correct, I dont see a whole lot of daylight between him and Hillary .
Bernie Sanders voted twice in support of regime change in Iraq. In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”
Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: “Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”
• Was a (R)
• Was recorded disparaging 47% of the population in bigoted terms
• Had only campaigned once; spending a single term in office
• Owned car elevators and a dressage horse during the second worst economic period in US history
In 2012 Mitt was a stiff (Where HRC can be a bit stiff.).
Mitt was a candidate-- at the wrong time for his resume.
He might have fared better in 2008-- or even this year.
But that doesn’t mean that they’re eager to see U.S. troops thrown into the fray, or to see U.S. cruise missiles being deployed. “Projecting American power” does not refer to expressing an opinion - it refers to taking concrete military action.
One could easily lay the blame for the cynical politics and the rise of unserious pols we’re trying to grapple with at Stewart’s feet. Night after night it was throwing out cynicism wrapped in jokes to almost ensure that no one would ever again view the political landscape seriously. Enter donald to seize on that disaffection and make the most of it.
The only aspect that changes any bit of perspective between the votes of Sanders in '98 and HRC in 2002?
Is that Bill Clinton occupied the White House.
Sanders trusted WJC as POTUS.
HRC trusted GWB as POTUS.
And somehow there is a divide perceived as deep-and-wide.
For about the millionth time I will post what Clinton said in part at the time she voted in favor of the Iraq war. She made the mistake of taking bush at his lying word, and that’s all.
“Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first … I take the president at his word that he will try hard to pass a United Nations resolution and seek to avoid war, if possible.
Moderator Tim Russert pointed out that the title of the resolution was the “Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.”
Clinton responded saying, “We can have this Jesuitical argument about what exactly was meant. But when Chuck Hagel, who helped to draft the resolution said, ‘It was not a vote for war,’ What I was told directly by the White House in response to my question, 'If you are given this authority, will you put the inspectors in and permit them to finish their job?’ I was told that’s exactly what we intended to do.”
But would you have made the same mistake? I certainly would not have. I knew the Bush Adminstration was lying through its teeth about Iraq, even without being privy to high-level national security intelligence. It was painfully obvious.
What I as a non-pol, non-insider would have done is irrelevant. She’s on record repeatedly explaining why she voted this way. Kerry and Biden voted the same way, both ran for president, and neither was hit as viciously as she has been for doing so.
And I cite what @lestatdelc posted a few minutes ago vis a vis a conversation with Tim Russert
Clinton responded saying, “We can have this Jesuitical argument about what exactly was meant. But when Chuck Hagel, who helped to draft the resolution said, 'It was not a vote for war,’ What I was told directly by the White House in response to my question, ‘If you are given this authority, will you put the inspectors in and permit them to finish their job?’ I was told that’s exactly what we intended to do.”
