Hahaha…you just made Derpy-D’s Twitter list, John! LOL
Fair comment on Clinton too. I support her, but I’ve always felt that to be one of her weaker points in that she plays he game the old-school way: waffling between hedging and pandering. That’s a shitty pendulum. I really do wish she’d come out more forcefully on the issues and take more hard lines. Derpy-D is the perfect person to do that against: he’s a reactionary dimwit who she would get to define by being first to take a clearer position.
Now, that’s not to say she’s not clear about everything, but, well, you can’t really deny she plays evasive on some.
What I think about Hillary Clinton, I imagine to be a very bright woman without the courage of her convictions, because I’m not even sure what they are,"
Then you’re not paying attention. She’s laid out her convictions and policies repeatedly, and if you’re unsure it’s your own fault.
Agreed. I was saying that Drumpf is a man-child awhile back. But Stewart is just being a lazy fool when it comes to Clinton and wants simplistic slogans to be a stand-in for “convictions”. Disappointing.
And they’ve “evolved” 180° and then drifted like a sailboat in a hurricane.
This critique of Clinton is just so fucking contrived, and I hear it everywhere. Someone on NPR was concern trolling today about how she doesn’t have a simple overarching one-line summary of her campaign or her goals, like Trump or Sanders do. No shit. Sanders is a prisoner of his campaign messaging McNuggets, with no workable or substantial policy behind them, and Trump is a leaking dam of incoherent bile. These are not characteristics to aspire to.
People evolve over 40 years. That’s part of being an adult. As more information becomes available, as society advances, people evolve. Those that don’t are called Republicans.
Jon you shouldn’t stoop to low blows on a poorly endowed, thin skinned orangutan who has Sarah Palin’s endorsement. You’re better than that.
Like being for mass incarceration before being against it, like Sanders?
What are you referring to, les?
BTW: Hillary didn’t disagree with her husband’s successful policy to incarcerate “masses” of people. Indeed, she now says it was a “mistake.”
Well, I can’t speak for that NPR guy, but I’ve supported Clinton from the get-go and if she’s waffling enough to leave herself exposed to these arguments, then she’s waffling too much. She’s pretty clear on a lot of things, but others she likes to have her cake and eat it too. No candidate is 100% one-dimensional, not even the Derpy-D, and it’s gotten beyond asinine that nobody can admit their candidates’ flaws around here or anywhere else. Yes, everything’s perfect with your candidate. No flaws. No mistakes. Admit nothing…NUSSING!!! It’s a defense mechanism that has cropped up for the exact same reason Clinton waffles: fear of being exposed to attack by taking a clear position/admitting a flaw.
Seconded.
I thought it was pretty clear. Sanders was for the 1994 crime bill. Voted for it, and even called for more mass incarceration in 1995. But “evolved” on the issue.
She never had a vote on the bill, and supported it at the time as First Lady (like she was going to publicly go against is FLOTUS) for the same reasons as Sanders and many in the CBC did.
But I guess her “evolving” doesn’t count because… “reasons”. Right?
I completely agree that a campaign reducible to a one-liner is not a healthy or intellectually honest goal. However, many of us have thoughtful and deep running reasons for our skepticism about Clinton, and dismissing us as sexist or victims of a contrived MSM narrative won’t make it better.
I admit that Clinton is not a great orator, not a natural campaigner, and tends to go for the perceived “safe ground” as a natural instinct (given the shit-storm every utterance she makes causes and gets run through the double-standard wringing I can’t blame her) and there are several votes and things she has said I don’t agree with at all.
But I know she is on our side, and will fight for the things our side wants 9 times out of 10.
And that’s a bad thing how? Society’s understandings of the issues and their solutions change over time. That she’s willing to admit the mistake and change her viewpoints with our progressing understanding and newer data is a 100% positive in her favor, particularly on an issue like mass incarceration. Rather than throw poop, you’d be better served seeking (in a proactive, positive and constructive manner) her campaign pledge to address the issue, rather making her flee it by continuing to pillory her despite her recognition of the problem and her role in it.
For me, the most disturbing thing is that Clinton still seems to be a strong proponent of “projecting American power” in the world. The last sixty years or so should have taught us some lessons about that, but she seems to have missed those classes entirely.
Still infinitely preferrable to a Trump Presidency, of course, so I’ll be filling in the little circle with my marker on election day.
Indeed. Pretty much it right there in a nutshell. But you’re one of the more rational ones around here haha…I’d expect something like that from you. I don’t know why that kind of thing has become so hard. The internecine thing with Bernie and his supporters’ hyperbolic attacks made people more defensive and entrenched than they really need to be or is gong to be helpful if they don’t pull out of it.
Wasn’t aware he voted for it. You obviously have a longer memory than I do. However, I do remember her voting for the war in Iraq. I think that’s when she — and so many others — lost my faith and trust. I found that pretty unforgivable. Still do.
Spot-on both about Trump and Clinton. I miss Jon Stewart as a regular presence. We need him, especially this election year.