D. All of the above!
A law that values āallā lifeā¦What a bunch of hooie! All life except the lives of the people the government wants to force to raise a severely handicapped child. Those lives donāt matter. A twenty year old may have to spend the next 60 years or more raising and caring for someone who will never learn to tie itās shoes, thatās OK with these religious zealots, even if modern science and technology can help them avoid that lifetime burden.
Forcing a religious belief on those who do not want or need it is the height of government tyranny and oppression. All the anti-abortion radicals have is their religious beliefs. It is NOT a baby, it is NOT a human being until it is born and breathing! Hell, it doesnāt even have a legal name until it is born.
Call me arrogant, but claiming something that has no name or is not even breathing and has not been born has equal rights with me I find insulting.
Pence always was a born again religious freak, which is why he should not even hold an elected government position.
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Damn! Itās too bad men canāt get pregnant and more of them spend all of their lives dealing with a special-needs child. What an asshole!
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So whatās his excuse?
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I will never, ever truly understand the rank stupidity of men who slut shame and want to punish women for having sex. If I were a straight man Iād make it my lifeās work to encourage womenās sexual and reproductive freedom. Iād do everything within my power to turn āslutā and āwhoreā into compliments. If you like women and you like having lots of sex with women, why would you spend so much time trying to discourage women from having sex? I just donāt get it.
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TPM readers will get sick of my ranting about lawmakers and justices inserting themselves into womenās health decisions, especially when they reveal their ignorance about womenās bodies and about what happens with pregnancy (and contraception).
When I was 15, I think my mom didnāt like my friends or didnāt want me just hanging out w/ them at the pool over the summer, so she GOT ME A JOB AT A NATURAL CHILDBIRTH centerā¦I kid you not (iāve had a really weird but interesting lifeā¦).
So I learned a little bit about pregnancy early in life.
Andrew Sullivan who is pro-life, did a series in his blog about late term abortionā¦he published real stories from readers about their experiences. They are very educational, and I think that they challenge most peoplesā ideas of who seeks a late term abortion and whyā¦and what is entailed.
http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2009/06/its-so-personal-a-round-up/200913/
I have never found a āpro-lifeā (aka anti abortion) legislator, activist or judge to have the courage or interest to really learn about why people seek late term abortionsā¦or have the ability to put themselves in these peoplesā shoes.
it is very easy to be black and white and say āAll life is importantāā¦and to pass laws and then turn away. They are not there w/ the families who are forced to bring babies to term who will live for days or weeks in complete and total pain without any means of comforting them before they dieā¦and who will not be there to deal w/ the families pain and grief afterwards which will linger for years if not forever. They will not be there to help the families deal w/ severely deformed children who will not have any sort of interaction in their livesā¦to help the siblings of these children have a normal life, b/c their parents will be consumed w/ caring for their sibling.
I have friends who had a 3 year old and who then had twins who were both severely autistic. (I am not advocating for abortion in their case)ā¦I have seen how their entire lives have been changed by this to revolve around caring for their two autistic children while still trying to give their normal child who siblings do not interact w/ her a semi-normal lifeā¦they used to be decently well off. Now the wife stays at home to monitor the care of the twins and to be a full time mom. The father works a job that he hates b/c it has good healthcare and pays enough to pay for the help they need to try to get their autistic kids as far along as they canā¦
Nobody is there for themā¦no religious people, or pro life people or lawmakers or justicesā¦nobody is helping them. They are in this hole by themselves. W/ their friends. They are lucky in that they had some means to begin w/ā¦
I have another friend who has a three daughters (one child and then twins) and a birth defect led to one of the twins being in a permanent vegatative stateā¦sheās now 21ā¦ no pro-lifers are around themā¦
I donāt see the lawmakers/activists going for any legislation to help people who choose (or are forced to) to have children w/ severe (Iām not talking autism) defectsā¦nothing. There is silence. B/c I donāt think they really care.
Read Andrew Sullivanās heart wrenching storiesā¦I just see no compassion from people like the Indiana governorā¦only ignorance.
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Which must be performed at a Trump-approved site, with options, of course, for the standard package, although taxes will kick in under some circumstances, in which case women can choose the deluxe package, which includes a free photo she must display on her front door for the next twelve months.
Choice. Courtesy of your Republican-run government, dedicated to staying out of your life.
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The issue is less pro-life but pro-birth. Is Pence also very willing to raise the amount of support for children to accommodate women now forced birthed to having children too physically handicapped to do more than simply survive? Somehow I doubt that
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We do, but the ones who will decide what is cruel and unusual are precisely those who will never experience them because they arenāt burdened with the same physical equipment. And those people have their own agendas for that sort of punishment.
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Because this is really not about sex, but about power/ownership. If you and you alone control the sexual behavior of your chosen objects, then all you have to do is block access to them from other power hungry males. Rape, shove into cave, stand outside cave and roar and beat breast, to boast and warn others off. If one of your mates gets out and gets into it (voluntarily or not) with another male, then she deserves whatever she gets; if she dies in childbirth (a usual occurrence in them days) so what? And even oneās daughters are fair game when they get old enough, so have plenty of them; theyāre yours too after all. As for what women want, who cares if they do or donāt want sex? Or if they are safe? Itās not about them but about you.
Itās very low down and raw stuff theyāre trying to sweeten up and sell.
Republicans continuing War on Women .
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And the decision should be that of the family ā they are best placed to weigh the effects of all the outcomes.
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I hope someoneā¦somewhere will do a bit on this. Since the early 80ās the GOP has hustled the evangelicals ( if there really is such a thing ) with āvaluesā crap. They made a good choice. There are millions of them and theyāve already demonstrated a proclivity for blindly following what someone tells them. It worked but thereās a payback. Forcing us to live like the evangelical wants us to by legislating that we must.
More religious mandate by legislation is to come. āvalues votersā, the āreligious rightā, āmoral majorityā and āfaith based institutionsā arenāt finished yet and the GOPāers need their votes more than ever. Our Founders never intended this.
Gov. Mike Pence ābelievesā something and God dammit youāre going to live by it.
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So in his moral judgement taking a fetus not capable of feeling much of anything and turning into a child facing a lifetime of suffering is the right thing to do? Thatās the way to treat the vulnerable?
A fetus is not yet a person and that is true whatever the likely outcome for the pregnancy. Aborting a fetus to prevent a child facing disability does not devalue those suffering with disability --!it recognizes the suffering they face. Yes, some of those exposed to rubella in the womb can have lives worth having although not all but it says nothing against.the value of those lives to demand vaccination to prevent others from facing that outcome.
But you can dispose of the fifty percent of fertilized eggs lost through menstruation anyway you please. You are not even required to check regularly to see whether you are pregnant or not to prevent you from flushing the remains of a deceased unborn child down the toilet as simply the outcome of a late periodā¦ If anti-choice individuals truly believed that early unborn fetuses are children they would already be making such checks voluntarily so that they could insure that their own āchildrenā are given a religious burial.j
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Exactly. Once you have a person facing such a situation the moral thing to do is to do your level best to get that person to the best possible outcome.