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It will be interesting to see how things progress. My suspicion is, Deanâs endorsement today is not one she can take to the bank and cash. If Warren does change her mind and step in, I can see him retracting this and throwing his support behind Elizabeth in a nanosecond.
What some progressives simply refuse to acknowledge is Dean has gone to the right in the 10 years that he ran for POTUS. Personally, I just canât get on board with some of his positions anymore, I really canât. Full disclosure: I voted for Dean in the primary over Kerry who I knew would be a total loser.
I would agree if I thought for a second Dean was a progressive, but I donât believe he is or ever has been.
He was even to the right back then but folks refused to see it.
âHillary Clinton is by far the most qualified person in the United States to serve as President.â
I love you Howard, I really do. But that is just ridiculous.
Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. What will these people do in the (probably unlikely) event she decides not to run?
And I still say, why would anyone believe that she is going to âfixâ this once-great nation? Everything Iâve ever seen tells me that she is invested in the status quo - any change driven by Ms Clinton will be change around the edges. Just look at the big-money donors she attracts. Think they see anything that needs to be âfixedâ? People that make big campaign bribes expect something in return, or they just bribe someone else.
Didnât we learn anything from our experience with PBO? Apparently no one was paying attention when he said⌠We are the ones weâre waiting for.
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How ironic considering what Dean and the DNC did to Florida and Michigan in the 2008 primary campaign. The DNC was not neutral in that nominating campaign. DaveyJones64 is right above to suggest Deanâs endorsement might not be unconditional. I donât trust him. Iâll never forgive him for 2007-2008 either.
Itâs weird how I had totally forgotten about the existence of the âstrong people-powered forceâ that is DFA until today. Also strange how we didnât seem to hear much of anything about them during the midterms.
As I pointed out in another thread,as bad as the map is for GOPs in 2016,Dem pickup hopes in the Senate is only 5-7 seats realistically,which would only result in a small Senate majority. Flipping the House is not a realistic hope in 2016. A Dem president in 2016 is gonna have to deal with a Congress that is much like what Pres. Obama has had to deal with the last 4 years. Her/any Demâs ability to fix or change things is gonna be limited by continued Congressional gridlock and brinksmanship.
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Kind of like Obama, really. I saw them doing it right here in the TPM comments at the time, telling about all the hard work they were doing for a candidate based on the wonderful imaginary conversations they were having with him in their heads rather than what he actually said and wrote. I just didnât feel any need to point it out to them. They wouldnât have thanked me and I was for the guy he actually was, so itâs not like I was going to discourage them.
Probably healthier for them to get themselves in a place to be pleasantly surprised rather than disappointed over Hillary.
I worked hard for Obama both in '08 and 12, but I never deluded myself into believing he was a die hard progressive. He was too pragmatic. Oh and I think Dean was/is further to the right than Obama.
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Yep and yep.
Maybe notâŚbut I have never been under the notion that Dean was a Clinton ally. Far from it. I think he is just playing nice given the probability that she wins the nominationâŚquite easily. If things start to fudge up that calculus, he will have no problem in backing away.
Modern liberals my friends, Senator Warren is a lovely woman (Iâm a indigenous American that thinks a great deal of her)⌠but she would get creamed⌠because this in country âliberal is a pejorativeâ and running on if you get a Presidentâs Daily Brief (PDB) titled: ISIL Determined To Strike in US, you would do what Bush did (NOTHING) is not going to fly this side of Firedoglake.
Apparently, Warren is supposed to be the Great Democratic Hope yet her state (MA) just elected a Republican governor. How in the world she would garner even nearly enough votes nationwide is a total mystery.
Draft Warren? Good grief. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
I love Elizabeth Warren. But she is exactly where we need her to be.
I am so sick of this mindset that too many people overall have in this country that says we need just the right president to fix things in the country. No no no no no no no no no NO. One person is not going to fix things, once and for all. Not even a super duper president can do it. Think for a second - why are things so fucking broken right now? Itâs not because Obama was elected in '08 and re-elected in '12. Itâs because of the results of hundreds if not thousands of elections in the past decade or more, where really shitty politicians, mostly Republicans but also including some Democrats, in national but also especially in state legislatures and governorships, are tilting this country in the wrong direction, one state law and one state directive and one House Committee at a time. (And so on. I hope you can see what Iâm getting at here.)
First things first. Democrats, liberals, and progressives first need to GET OUR SIDE TO FUCKING VOTE IN ELECTIONS. Grassroots, bottom up, working at the local and state levels first (or at the same time as the national if possible, but please can we not pretend that a good president will make all that bad local stuff go away?). At best, a US President is a good level-headed person who is not crazy or a belligerent idiot or an incompetent, incurious fuck. But to have a really good president requires having an entire culture surrounding him or her that will lead him or her into doing the right things without browbeating. And the reality is, that doesnât happen overnight or with the election of one person in a year divisible by 4. Keep Warren in the Senate, and elect Hillary if thatâs what it takes to avoid having President Walker or Christie or Romney or Paul. And then get back to work in your local area and state and reverse this tide of Republican chokeholds on the local levers of power. School boards, for gods sake, theyâre important too.
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Sen. Warren is needed in the Senate. Why waste time when she has said that she is not going to run in 2016? I just donât get why folks wonât take her at her word. Hello?
Thank you. I totally agree with your comment.
I second your comment 100%.
You donât know Howard Dean. He is not going to go back on his word. He said what he believes and he probably also knows what they rest of us with a brain know, Warren can not win as much as we all love her outspoken ways. And tell me really which rally the troops battle has she won now??? She and Hillary are going to make a great team when Hillary is in the white house and Warren is in Senate leadership.