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If āgetting shit doneā means compromising away progressive positions just to get the RWNJās in the House to go along, then Iād rather have gridlock, thank you very much.
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I could point to the fact that Obama has actually accomplished a significant more than Bill Clinton did in his 8 years, and really lay an emphasis o the Hillaryās Health Care issue. However, in honor of the DC press corps I think I will just ignore all facts and say āYou go girl!ā
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Considering the republicans hate Hillary Clinton just as much as President Obama, I doubt any more shit will get done unless there is a dramatic power shift in congress.
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You wouldnāt know it from listening to pundits but itās not the presidentās job to solve congress. Gridlock is the fault of 1) Boehner who refuses to hold votes on things even when they have majority support 2) Republicans, not just the Tea Party conservatives but also the few moderates who elect Boehner Speaker and give him the power to kowtow to the Tea Party and block votes, 3) the people who elect Republicans to congress or donāt turn out to vote against them 4) the media who misrepresents congressās responsibility to āget shit doneā as the presidentās and confuses voters about who to blame.
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The only thing that may get done is they might actually find something when investigating one of their āscandalsā.
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This is laughable. President Obama has done what NO other president has done who have tried which is near universal health care for Americans. Remember HillaryCare? She didnāt get this shit done.
I donāt support this approach at all because it implies that President Obama didnāt get shit done when he did.
Instead Hillary should focus on JOBS JOBS JOBS.
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This is another example of the DC press corpsā fantasy world. They create a meme and chase it forever. As said a couple times above, we have health care and the area a the government that isnāt getting anything done is the House (and Senate Rs using the filibuster).
PBOās mistake was thinking he would get cooperation. Also as noted above, HRC is hated by the Rās as much as PBO. Why does the DC press think sheāll get any help? Because sheās white?
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Although she is a women, she is white.
So what might she do to set herself apart? Veterans of two previous presidential campaigns that faced the same question offered TPM a guess: Hillary Clinton can say that she will, as one strategist put it, āget shit done.ā
Well isnāt that what Obama promised? Or are these strategist implying that President Obama has not done enough āshitā? Because apparently he did, according to the latest rulings by the Supreme Court. And plenty of it.
Well Obama ran on getting it done as well. If Clinton can appeal to the right even to a small degree even 10%, (for instance, to the small percentage of southern voters for which race matters the most) then she may be able to get things done the Obama couldnāt.
First off, NO ONE should be listening to Goreās strategist from 2000. Sorry, just not a viable plan.
Second, is this gem:
āShe may not be as good on the issues, but sheāll get shit doneā¦ You
can see a way that she becomes the perfect antidote to Obama.ā
If she buys into this (and she probably wil)l, then sheāll lose to whomever is challenging her from the left. That statement makes no sense at all. How can she āget shit doneā if sheās not good on the issues?
Third, if this were 2000, Iād say sheād have a real chance with this strategy. NOW, however, I believe that many Americans (not all) have seen that the GOP will obstruct ANY and all Democrats no matter who they are. Back then, the GOP hadnāt been taken over by the Tea Party and so the concept of ānegotiationā was still a feasible idea. No longer.
This is Beltway bullshit that I suspect Clinton may very well try to peddle to the electorate.
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Just curious, but does winning more delegates than you count as āgetting shit doneā?
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Thank you! The House has been gerrymandered in such a way that, until 2020 or thereabouts, the next president (who will be a Dem) is going to have to run the same gauntlet as PBO. By next year, the Dems running for POTUS are going to have to start addressing this idea because āgetting shit doneā aināt gonna be happening with a House GOP.
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The same SCOTUS that upheld 99% of the Affordable Care Act? That one?
Do you even think?
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Of course he does. Just not coherently.
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I donāt agree with the framing but I do ultimately agree with the premise. HRC can make the case that if given a Democratic House and Senate sheāll be able to get shit done. Itās an argument Obama can make when he stumps for her, and itās an argument voters of color will especially respect. Instead of the shortsighted, tone deaf ādisappointmentā lament of the far left sheād be putting the blame exactly where it belongs.
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And many of the things you think are so egregious are things other presidents, particularly Republican ones, have done before. You donāt acknowledge that fact and thatās one of the many reasons posters are always making fun of you.
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Well now, thatās kind of a problem because part of the Dem base (the far left) are already up in arms over her.
Donāt believe me? Check out the morass also known as Daily Kos on any given week and youāll find some anti-HRC diaries being peddled and recommended.
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Get shit done? You mean like the stimulus plan, killing bin Laden, three major international trade agreements, ObamaCare, implementing the Dream Act via executive order, etc., etc., etc.?
The reason Democrats lose is they eat their own, playing into the right wingās criticism in ways that destroy our own chances.
Hillary is enjoying this right now with the āsheās a richie richieā meme that is taking her down, and her people are doing the same to Obama.
STUPID.
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