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It’s not even 2016 and I’m already tired of the drama surrounding Hillary Clinton.
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If you read the actual Goldberg interview, you’ll see that the media is twisting what she said to suit their narrative.
It’s Pravda-level bullshit.
Michael Smerconish was all over it on POTUS (SiriusXM) this morning.
We should be enraged at the corporate media for what they’re doing to this country.
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The media will hype every little twist and turn, making each one “a game changer” in tones of breathless hysteria.
Because, you know, it’s easier than actually… thinking.
Even Ezra Klein, who I normally respect, was fretting this morning that this could drive the youth vote to Rand Paul. Can we maybe stay in the real world?
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Wish I had heard the Smerconish program - he tends to be reasonable and straightforward on most issues. Thanks for confirming what I thought about all of this after I got past the headline and read the interview.
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I lost a good deal of respect for Klein after his incessant breathless complaints on twitter (hundreds per day, it seemed like) about the roll-out of the website.
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“Mr. President? Hi, it’s Hillary. Listen, I made a terrible mistake. I spoke to a journalist in August. Yeah, I know, what was I thinking, right? Anyway, I apologize for that.”
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Run for cover… BTW, arming the rebels three years ago was (and still is) a bad idea since it was a much greater than 50/50 chance you would be arming ISIL.
Her mindset, like most of those inside the beltway is fundamentally wrong headed and stuck in “great game” cold-war frameworks that should, and must, go the way of the dinosaurs.
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Yes, I can’t deny I felt the same way. He basically came up with a new reason every day why the website couldn’t be fixed and the law was doomed. I know he’s glad he was wrong, but he didn’t help matters. Still, Vox often has better analysis than other sites, and his hype for the “Rand Paul is a big threat” meme was disappointing.
See Hillary, if you didn’t say that stupid shit, you wouldn’t have to call and apologize.
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In fairness, most of the interview was fine. But she does need to pay more attention to these “one liners” that are too easy for shock-headline hungry media to exploit.
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Her very first answer in the interview was fundamentally wrong. Very first response by Clinton in the transcript:
“I’ve always been in the camp that held that they did not have a right to enrichment. Contrary to their claim, there is no such thing as a right to enrich. This is absolutely unfounded.”
Article IV(1) of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT):
“Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with Articles I and II of this Treaty.”
(emphasis mine)
Clinton doesn’t know what the fuck she is talking about right out of the gate.
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Heh. Well played sir.
I thought the same thing until I actually read the transcript from the interview. It’s absolutely disgusting how grossly out of context her words were taken. She wasn’t even remotely criticizing the president. In fact, she was praising him.
Here’s an excerpt:
HRC: Great nations need organizing principles, and “Don’t do stupid stuff” is not an organizing principle. It may be a necessary brake on the actions you might take in order to promote a vision.
JG: So why do you think the president went out of his way to suggest recently that that this is his foreign policy in a nutshell?
HRC: I think he was trying to communicate to the American people that he’s not going to do something crazy. I’ve sat in too many rooms with the president. He’s thoughtful, he’s incredibly smart, and able to analyze a lot of different factors that are all moving at the same time. I think he is cautious because he knows what he inherited, both the two wars and the economic front, and he has expended a lot of capital and energy trying to pull us out of the hole we’re in.
So I think that that’s a political message. It’s not his worldview, if that makes sense to you.
(Thanks to Arrrj for posting this in another thread!)
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Mrs. Clinton you need to stop talking and go away, far away till at least 2015. Please.
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Precisely. She went on to emphasize that “don’t do stupid things,” which she said isn’t a worldview, is NOT his worldview and that he never said it was.
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I can’t fault anyone for jumping at the comment as it was presented by TPM and the rest of the media. I did the exact same thing. But we need to use this as a lesson to ourselves and Democrats everywhere that we shouldn’t take these kinds of quotes at face value. The media desperately wants it’s horsey race in 2016 and will do all they can to egg on a fight between Obama and the Clintons. We shouldn’t make it so easy for them.
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So - Fucking Republicans -
choose who you side with -
Obama or Hillary.
Rand or Perry.
ps - only three of them will be running 2016 !
From the wider context, she was clearly referring to creation of weapons-grade material, a line which is easily crossed in the enrichment process, and which is not protected by the treaty… hence her emphasis on Iran’s claim to need 190,000 centrifuges for peaceful purposes.
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We only know for certain that they are not on Obama’s side.
P.S. - Only one of them is black.