Discussion: Gorsuch Comments Preview Endgame If Citizenship Question Is Added To Census

The question is does that text permit the Republican operatives on the SCOTUS to read it as “only once in ten years under the laws then existing”? If it does (and I think so) then that is how they will read it.

I have been watching 40 years now as right-wing acitivists on the court (even such “moderates” as O’Connor) turn laws upside down, reading provisions clearly intended to set floors for benefits and protections (for example) as setting ceilings.

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I know I keep coming back to this, but every person who voted their precious conscience, rather than working to defeat Trump, owns this. Anyone with 1/2 of a brain could see what would happen if the court was pushed further to the right. Anyone with 1/4 of a brain could see that the president elected in 2016 could be seating up to three justices.

I’m begging every self-identified progressive and liberal, you have 1,460 days to do whatever your conscience requires you to do. Please set aside 1 day every four years to do what your country and your fellow citizens need you to do.

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illegitimate presidency has a nice ring to it

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They will be using this to broadcast all sorts of threats to scare the shit out of the immigrant community so they don’t answer the census at all.

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Wow. You really would rather blow up the Democratic Party than get rid of Trump, wouldn’t you.

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Not at all. Now they get to double down. Not answering the census also leads to a knock on the door from a census collector…

So either report your immigration status, or don’t report, and since we know where we mailed stuff, ICE now has a target address list.

The Nazis would be impressed with this one.

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One answer is to increase the noise-to-signal ratio. If millions refuse to answer, ICE will be overwhelmed.

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They get more out of simply pretending they don’t exist and not counting them for apportionment and redistricting.

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Not if a lot of people don’t answer the question. I won’t for example. And we should start a massive campaign not to.

Consider, if the Democrats in California make not answering the question a major point, and half of registered Democrats do that it would be 22% of the entire population.

That list would not be very useful.

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So we get even more undercounts in Democratic areas? No thanks.

But them’s the rules. Not answering is not exactly an option. the Census Bureau has the mission to go out and manually follow up in cases of non-response.

Going to be some interesting, if a bit wonky, times ahead on this one.

That’d be 16%.

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Yes, even if by some miracle the question isn’t on the form. They’ve already achieved their goal.

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Yep, Sanders owns a lot of this. Like Trump, he benefited greatly from Russian interference. He and Trump worked in tandem to utilize the help offered by an enemy state to batter the front runner. He thought it would make him president. What an empty-headed, ego-maniacal opportunist.

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It’s all going to depend on the Senate in 2020, isn’t it–we need a majority to push through judges or McConnell will just sit on it even if the Supreme Court ends up at six or seven seats. I can easily see Republicans coming close to a 50 percent tie or even 51 seats on just 35 percent of the vote, because of the malapportionment. So getting a top-of-the-ticket who plays well to anti-establishment voters in rural areas is going to be crucial for Senate coattails. But that might be complicated given the stance of party activists. Sanders and Biden, the top-two polling candidates, play well with rural audiences but face strong opposition from party activists in early states, according to recent polling. There are a handful of prominent candidates, though, including Warren and Harris, who according to the same poll elicit very little objection from early state activists. So, can they excite rural voters? We’ve still to find that out. Anyone from an actual rural area with an early take on this?

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And we add justices to the SCOTUS to fix this imbalance there.

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I wasn’t clear. We answer the census but refuse to answer the citizenship question.

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Because it wouldnt work even if you are in a blue state. How would you even get, say produce, from CA To NY?

Good point. I wonder if red states, AKA The Confederacy, would be hurt more by including the question. States like Georgia, Texas, Florida, and Arizona might not receive as many new reps during reapportionment after 2020.

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“The DOJ Is Hanging Its Entire Census Case On One Paragraph”

Of course! The Federalist Society, ALEC, et al., already wrote the opinion these assholes will adopt. It’s not about actual legal reasoning, precedent, stare decisis, res judicata, actual judicial review or any of that anymore. It’s about finding itty-bitty tiny narrow pretexts for pushing the GOP/John Birch/KKK political agenda.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/11/21/the-undocumented-immigrant-population-explained-in-7-maps/

The point is to give even more outsized overweighted power to rural redneck Murikkka because that’s where all the angry white Christian nationalist GOP-for-life true believers live.

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