Discussion: GOPer: If Trump Doesn't Turn Over Tapes I'd Be 'Fine' With Issuing A Subpoena

We know you’re a fake moderate, Beej.

No need to remind us.

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Hardly a proper comparison. Although the US backed Coup against Chavez helped give his party a blank check to do what they’d doing now.

The only way you can have compromises is if both sides are willing to negotiate in good faith. At this point you have one side willing to put almost everything on the table (democrats) and one side willing to give up nothing (Republicans) The reason is because the moderates or in this case, Republicans who put country over ideology, have been completely wiped out. So how do you fix that? Empower moderates by showing that being extremist is suicide and will destroy the country.

This was proven effective in Kansas where they thought third time’s a charm for Supply Side economics slashed taxes on the rich and corporations. And surprise, no jobs appeared and it blew up the state budget. And in 2016, enough far right republicans were voted out of the state legislation that the the Republican held majorities in the state house and senate voted to RAISE TAXES and OVERRIDE THE VETO of the republican governor. Yes a rebuke of supply side economics by Republicans. And those Republicans needed Democratic support to get those tax hikes which meant the democrats had a seat at the table to get it done since the enough Republicans put their state before the rich.

So if you want to get things done, the first thing the Democrats need to do is dig in and engage in trench warfare where they don’t give up another inch to the Republicans. Once their policies fail (either through the fact they’re terrible, or obstruction.) the Republicans have gone so far to the right, you’ll see the party either self destruct or shift back to the middle. At this point being a ‘far left’ democratic isn’t something that’s not unbecoming a democrat. It’s what the Democrats represented before they took their hard lurch to the right.

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As long as you see us as being on separate teams, you will never get one damn thing you want. Not one.

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“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” - Albert Einstein

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That one lost me when he wrote that Corbyn’s decades old support of the IRA is wiped away by denouncing them during this election.

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I don’t like that DINOs will predictably vote for Rs, but I also understand it’s self preservation. However many squishes there are they go into the tally of Ds and it’s what gets us power however we can get it. Rs are the problem, doesn’t matter if they call themselves moderates or somebody else has hung that label on them. The party has moved further to the right than the Democrats have moved to the left, it’s as true today as when the article was published in 2012.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html?utm_term=.1b92dc2f4bc7

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I totally agree with that. We Democrats have held the sanity line and I don’t want to see us stop now.

Bipartisanship may be a dream right now but unless we get back to it, we’re kind of doomed.

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The fact you have to nitpick to dismiss me and can’t refute the meat of my post regarding why Corbyn and Labour did so well speaks volumes. Unless you’re writing it right now and just talking a break.

Supporting the IRA and not denouncing them until now tells me all I need to know about Corbyn. That you are his sycophant tells me all I need to know about you. You are dismissed.

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You are advocating that Democrats behave like Republicans.

That’s a loser from the get-go.

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So you can’t refute anything and have to use Trump logic to dismiss me. I accept your surrender.

If not compromising your principles is a Republican thing, well, we got trouble.

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• dignity
• morality
• respect

probably some other stuff.

ETA:

• compassion
• humanity
• empathy
• history

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Mueller should subpoena the golden showers tape too.

And on whom should that subpoena be served?

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Barring an omnipotent power that judges a person’s life coming into play, those are all subjective. The Republicans and their base would disagree with you and would claim their actions are done for maintaining or restoring the dignity, morality, and respect of the United Sates. (Of course our side would disagree vehemently, but that doesn’t matter to the Republicans.) Hence another impasse which brings us back to my previous point.

This article, which I assured @mattinpa I would link to as appropriate, describes the possible self-inflicted disarray the Rs would be in if and when DT is pushed out. There’s no need to act like the other party because it won’t be pretty.

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They are already at war internally and they were before Trump was whatever you want to call it, I don’t like calling it “elected.” Whatever.

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Apples and oranges. Collins has been in the Senate for 20 years. Heitkamp has been a Senator for 4 years and Manchin for 7. If one follows your logic, one is forced to the conclusion that Collins is getting better and Heitkamp and Manchin are getting worse.

But, yeah, a Democrat is better than a Republican any time because it determines who controls the Senate.

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