Discussion for article #238169
Why feed the agenda canard? Just get the license…and get married. Why fuck with clerks and jerks…bakers and shakers…it isn’t going to help. Just get the fucking license…get the fucking cake and leave all the assholes in your wake. Move on.
Ireland legalized same sex marriage and got a gorgeous rainbow over Dublin:
Texas azzholes’ keep trying to stonewall, and they get record floods:
TAKE A HINT, TEXAS…TAKE A HINT! lmao
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County clerks who refuse to carry out their legally-required duties should be pursued until they either start doing their jobs or resign. The fact that this couple finally managed to get their license is a good thing, but shouldn’t be seen as the end of the story.
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This is not about an agenda, this is about their right to receive benefits from the state to which they are constitutionally entitled. The Clerk is required to issue the license to have the marriage recognized by the state. I agree that the baker issue is a distraction, but this is fundamental to their exercise of their rights.
I wish that the clerk had to pay the attorneys’ fees out of her personal bank account as it is her personal beliefs that are driving this whole exercise.
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It should be if you want this issue to die. It was improbable anyone was going to get a license for same sex marriage in Texas…now they are. So let the issue die down and accept your victory. There is no reason to destroy the life of a baker that didn’t want to bake you a cake. There is no reason to destroy the life of a government functionary that can’t see beyond her Pastors bullshit. Let it Be.
You sound like a gun nut…yakking about a “right”. They GOT their fucking license…which is good. Let that be the end of it. Why the pound of flesh? Why do you think your display of hatred is a prettier one that that of the clerk? Let it fucking be!
Who’s threatening to destroy her life? These plaintiffs are demanding an affirmative statement from her that she will carry out her duties properly. Is that really too much to ask? They also want attorney’s fees, which I suspect the county would have to cough up. Why should they have to bear this additional cost?
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Really? You seem to be the one with anger issues.
I believe that government employees should perform their ministerial duties, and, if they cannot do that, they should resign. To withhold contitutionally protected benefits based on personal convictions is not in keeping with her official duties. They had to go out and retain a lawyer to prosecute an action to obtain their constitutionally protected rights. The clerk should make them whole.
I am not angry, and I am glad that they got their license. But why should anyone have to hire a lawyer to get a marriage license at this point? The issue is not resolved until the government bureaucrats comply with the law. Clearly, the clerk here did not.
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Wasn’t it a victory for all of us? Who does this “your” encompass, in your view?
More on point, aren’t the plaintiffs entitled to attorney’s fees? Or should every couple faced with an unlawful denial of services have to shell out a few hundred or few thousand dollars to force a taxpayer-funded official to do their damn job? Just the cost of being gay, I guess. Let. It. Go.
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Section 1983, under which the lawsuit was brought, allows attorney fees.
They need to hold out for Attorney fees to make an example of the clerk.
Talk is cheap and these clerks think they’re being cute. Deny until someone makes me. Well, when making them do their job also involves them or the county paying a few thousand dollars in attorney fees, this nonsense will stop.
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Bullshit. What they are doing is keeping an issue alive. The recent SCOTUS ruling did not discard “religious beliefs” and other shields for bigotry. If this vengeance thing is kept up…and that is what this is…it will get to SCOTUS. And those religious phonies in robes are going to rule the First Amendment says its OK to say no…as long as God is your motive. And given that …how can you prove any no does not have that behind it.
If they keep this shit up in Texas there’s going to be something made of it and frankly Gay Rights got a lot more in Texas than anyone EVER thought they would. The next move will be a step back. Let it die. If one asshole clerk and jerk gets in the way…but the next gets you what you want let it fucking be. If you get stymied at all levels…the fight is back on. But a win in round two is not likely.
There’s no “vengeance” involved. I don’t know where you’re getting that idea. This is a simple matter of enforcing the law. One or two cases like this, and the “passive resistance” will fold and collapse like a cheap beach chair.
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Whoa, this is a completely different issue. We are not talking about some restaurant refusing to cater a gay wedding, which frankly needs to be looked at closer. For instance if a restaurant is overbooked and turning down catering gigs, if a gay couple also gets turned down and sues, that’s a bullshit lawsuit for sure if they sue.
But in this case this is a government employee refusing to do their job, and it cost those people money to sue, etc. This is not different than a government employee refusing allow a black person to register to vote because they don’t think they should be allowed, and that person having to sue just to get the right to vote.
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Stop mincing words. It was not a victory for me because I am already married, don’t live in Texas and I am not Gay. It wasn’t a victory for all of other than it was an advancement in the right direction for America. But I do not need now…or will I ever need a license to marry a person of my sex.
You use the words “force a taxpeyer-funded official to do their damn job”…so if you apply the force…its OK?
Not for a minute do I buy the “religious freedom” thing. T I think its all the highest form of blasphemy to hide under God’s skirts in order to dish out hate…BUT. If a person is truly motivated by Faith…truly believes that assisting in what is condemned in the Bible… that they are complicit in sin…do you think they should be forced into that sin?
Let it be. If they don’t want to hand out a license…go get it at another place ( as they did ) . If they don’t want to bake a cake…go get it at another place ( as all those folks did ). If you run up against systematic…institutional rejection…then you have to fight. Don’t fight the religious objections…its bullshit for sure but you cannot beat it. Just move on…and if that is denied…you have a fight.
NO!!! Wrong. This is a county clerk’s office, not some random restaurant. What, you’re expecting people to have to go from county to county until they find a clerk who will give them the license to which they’re legally entitled? That’s your solution? Seriously?
Boy, you have really gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick this time.
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Again…that’s not what we are talking about. Yes, that fool is a government functionary and no…I don’t think any of these assholes have a real objection based in faith. But they don’t have to. All they need to do is fake it…and fake it all the way to SCOTUS and the phonies on that Court…like the phony Plaintiffs…will take care of business. You will get an affirmation of the First protecting assholes like you did the Fourteenth protecting Gays. That will license ANYONE that wants to make a phony religious claim the right to do so with impunity. No legal fees…no license. Just a big fuck you in the name of God and you can’t do shit about it.
Right now that is not in the works. Keep this unnecessary shit up and it will be. These folks are getting married. Why pollute that blessing with government horseshit?
No, but the office must make some kind of arrangements so that the folks seeking the license are not prevented. If it’s a one-person office and the only person present objects, too bad. They must do their job. And then they can sue their employer for creating a hostile workplace. 
If that faith is incompatible with her ability to carry out her legal duties, she needs to resign. Her faith is not superior to the U.S. Constitution. No one’s forcing her to sin. If she doesn’t want to sin, she needs to find a job that won’t put her in that position. Nun, perhaps.
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You said it. He’s really gotten amazingly passionate about allowing an elected official to ignore their duties because of “religious convictions.”
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