Discussion for article #230297
All this talk about “outside agitators” coming in and riling the place up, I assume they’re talking about the KKK, right? Regardless, violence from anyone is unacceptable.
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Well, Ashley Banfield nailed it yesterday. She said regardless of the outcome half of the people will be unhappy with it.
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Six to ten bullets shot into a young man who may or may not have stolen a cigar.
That’s the nuance.
We used to have trials.
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Props to Anonymous for taking on the Klan. It’s a shame that Holder gives the Klan pass after pass just like he does with every other right wing hate group.
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Indeed. The law should be that, regardless of jurisdiction, if a police officer kills an unarmed person a trial should be mandatory. Period.
This officer was clearly not satisfied at subduing Brown with gunfire. The number of shots and the distance from which they were shot are clear and unambiguous proof he exacted retribution for the scuffle and executed him for it. Michael Brown didn’t survive to face a trial.
The police report is astonishingly devoid of any specific description lest he be caught in a lie after getting together with his thin-blue-line Klansman buddies to concoct a story, now contradicted by video evidence.
That’s all the evidence necessary. There needs to be a trial.
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Well that’s mindless pablum.
“People will be unhappy” doesn’t really count as reporting.
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The cop will walk, guaranteed. No charges will be filed. I really hope the citizens of Ferguson handle the news without violence and disruptions.
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Except that’s not what the Grand Jury is weighing. They are weighing evidence, testimony, forensics, etc. Obviously if Wilson showed up, saw Brown and just shot him, he would get indicted.
And what do you mean “may not” have stolen a cigar? He stole a box of cigars. Even the guy he was with admitted that. It’s on video too. Why would the guy he was with lie about them just committing a robbery, wouldn’t that hurt his cause? A customer called in the robbery as well, and Wilson had received a call on it with a description of the suspect.
What is in question here is if Brown was coming toward Wilson when Wilson shot him, how close he was, etc. Forensic evidence, etc. will yield this info. Blood stains, shell casings, etc.
NO ONE has all that info yet, so anyone who acts like they know what happened is full of BS, both on the right and the left.
Why do people hate facts and evidence? What’s wrong with forming an opinion AFTER all of this evidence is out?
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If this cop is not charged with a crime unrest is warranted. And stop the “destroying your own property” meme. We don’t own these parasite businesses.
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The only thing that will prevent this from turning into another Tulsa is the presence of the news media. And at this point I don’t hold out much hope that there will be any justice meted out from the senseless killing.
I hate to be advocating violence but I would love to see those cops have a catastrophe on their hands. They deserve nothing less.
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I have seen zero forensic evidence yielding that information. You would need to see blood stains and shell casings, crime scene photos, etc. And I would not rely on witnesses who said 30 feet or 5 feet. I am in construction and am continually amazed at people who have no clue about actual distance. Someone will say “15 feet”, and I have seen that range from 5 feet to 30 feet. I’d prefer to see the crime scene photos, evidence, etc. This will all become public information if he is not indicted. And if he is indicted, it will come out at trial.
Also, yes, it is possible Wilson was pissed off and took the last shots unnecessarily. But it is also possible that this guy who may have already tried to take his gun and got physical posed a threat. If some guy had hit me, then tried to take my gun, then I took a shot and he ran, and then put his hands up but started walking toward me and not stopping, once he got too close I’d shoot him for sure. Again, not saying that happened, but it certainly is just as plausible a scenario as Wilson just being pissed off and taking shots. BOTH are VERY possible. Forensics and photos will show the actual distance, whether Brown was moving toward Wilson, etc.
Two simple questions. How many shots were fired? What was the officer’
s weapon? I suspect they are not telling us the answers to these because the officer had to reload to fire that many shots. And that is not consistent with his story of being under attack. If the Grand Jury did not look into this then they are participating in the cover up.
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And that just shows people’s ignorance to facts. If it is shown Brown was shot from 30 feet away and Wilson is indicted, no one from the Right should be mad. And if it is shown Brown was shot from 15 feet away while moving toward Wilson and Wilson is not indicted, no one from the left should be mad.
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“And what do you mean “may not” have stolen a cigar? He stole a box of cigars. Even the guy he was with admitted that. It’s on video too.”
A 'theft" that the store owner never bothered to report?
A store video that the store owner didn’t even identify as the victim?
You don’t seem as though you know what you’re talking about…
“Why do people hate facts and evidence”???
For the SAME reason people make up their own to fit their racist beliefs…I suppose.
Your mouth and Darren Wilson’s GUN have a lot in common.
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You have your facts wrong on this. The unedited tape shows Brown paying for his cigar.
He brought a bunch of cigars up to the counter, then realized he could only pay for one. The clerk asked him to put the rest back, he refused, and that is what the confrontation was about. That’s what the store owner - who never reported a theft - said. The customer who called it in, like you, mistakenly thought it was a robbery.
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All the evidence is out? Wilson left the scene in his SUV before investigators arrived. That’s tampering with evidence. Who knows what he did with forensic evidence in the car that would have made him culpable?
After Brown didn’t “get on the fucking sidewalk” as ordered by Wilson, how is it good police work to grab Brown through the open car window? Apparently, this was one of Wilson’s preferred methods to collar suspects. He’s done it before. It seems lazy and incredibly stupid for a single cop to grab someone through a window. After he grabs the suspect, what next? He’s not in a position to detain the suspect when he’s in the car and the suspect is outside. That’s when he unholsters his little friend and shoots.
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While I will agree that all the facts/evidence have not been released, the gist of the problem is distrust of the Ferguson police/prosecutor and grand jury procedures and the length of time it has taken to make any decision/arrest in the matter. Combine that with the already known history and make up of the Ferguson Police Department and you have a powder keg. I am also concerned that the peaceful protests have and will be infiltrated by those using the situation (not evidence or facts) to stir unrest for their own personal motives.
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