Discussion: FBI Searches Vegas Gunman's Home For 'Re-Documenting And Rechecking'

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I don’t mean to be macabre, or to minimize the horror that happened, but does anyone have any idea of the killer’s political leanings (besides, of course, NRA)?

IOW, did he vote for Donnie Two Scoops??

so, K-9 officer Bitsko wishes his dog was leading the charge, so the dog could trip the wire or take the bullet? I didn’t think K-9’s were that expendable

he was a high-stakes gambler, and voting for Hillary would have been the safe bet for the nation, ,the world, and everyone’s children & children’s children. So I think he was a Trump supporter.

I understand that he was not registered to vote in either Nevada or Florida.

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Inside, Newton said he found “so many guns. So many magazines. Stacks
and stacks of magazines everywhere. Just in suitcases all neatly stacked
against pillars, around the room, all stacked up, rifles placed all
throughout. All kinds of monitors and electrical equipment he had in
there. It just looked like almost a gun store.”

Does anyone else sense a tiny bit of irony in that statement?

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The lack of any information that would have shown the murderer to be a danger before he acted out is puzzling. BATF did not pick up on anything suspicious as he went about acquiring enough weaponry to require a dealer’s license. He must have gone to a firing range to train in the use of his full auto converter stocks. Other gun owners would have heard the rapid fire and asked him about how it worked if nothing else.

We don’t think anything of crazy people who do not get mental health treatment in this country. We know there is a stigma of being diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic, bipolar, and so on. Not that that would keep a person from being able to buy a truckload of assault weapons thanks to our Congressional NRA fluffers. So from time to time we tell ourselves that someone we know is effen crazy and having pigeon holed him in our universe as such we go about our business. Later when that person eats a gun we say we were not surprised because they always were a half bubble off plumb. The guy turned out to be a monster and no one noticed?

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“Most casinos along Las Vegas Boulevard darkened their marquees briefly Sunday.”

‘Briefly’ being the operative word. This is America’s gambling capital, after all.

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I’m guessing he lived in his own world inside his head. Obviously if he voted it would have been for the folks that allowed him to buy guns, ammo, bomb material, etc.

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He was a cipher, a sphinx, no one knew much about him and even his brother who has spoken on the record about him is at loss for answers.

“I wish I could tell you he was a miserable bastard, that I hate him, that if I could have killed him myself I would have,” said Eric Paddock, a younger brother. “But I can’t say that. It’s not who he was. We need to find out what happened to him. Something happened to my brother.”

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His brother said he was a-political. There’s zero reason to think he voted for Trump.

There’s always this urge to turn every tragic event into a morality play that supports one’s own world view but the world is not so tidy and neatly divided.

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Let’s chew on this breaking news which I hope TPM gets around to sooner than later.

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dutch-tv-nra-guns_us_59db1b36e4b0f6eed3514c55

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So the dog could warn them of explosives. Remember he thought the camera thing might be a bomb.

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That actually wasn’t my intent, although I see where you might have thought that. My question (musing) was more along the lines of Donnie continually harping on ‘terrorism’ focusing on brown people or black people as those to be afraid of while ignoring homegrown domestic white ‘terrorists’…plus inciting violence himself. It could be considered ironic if the all-American white killer had bought into Drumpfie and then mowed down hundreds of his fellow citizens.

Donnie is going to protect us by keeping brown refugees out via a travel ban, but gun control is gonna make us less safe and the ability of an individual to accumulate an arsenal is peachy keen and inalienable.

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There are literally endless places in the southwest where one may go to train on such weapons where there is not a single other soul around. BLM lands, for example, are generally wide open for target practice.

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We’ll probably never understand. I feel for his family, too.

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You are correct about this… so far…


Was he a “wound collector” from childhood on? As I posted in the Hive…


Simply some food for thought…

[quote=“tomwright, post:2, topic:63406”]
I see him pissed at himself…[/quote]

This is edited from a post I placed in the Lounge back on August 20th. after the Charlottesville violence.

Wound Collectors…

Indicators . . .

  1. Lack of conscience, morality, and ethics.
  2. Rigid morality and sense of entitlement.
  3. Grandiosity and overvaluation of self while devaluing others.
  4. Evidence of paranoia – hatred of lesbians, gays, Latinos, anyone not perfect like him.
  5. Sees social slights, indifference, human imperfections, diversity and catalogs them and nourishes those wounds he has collected so that he can justify his actions.

That above, and the following is from  Joe Navarro, a 25 year veteran of the FBI and the author of What Every Body is Saying, as well as Dangerous Personalities which delves further into wound collection.

See: “Wound Collector” at Spycatcher - Psychology Today

In essence these are individuals who go out of their way to collect social slights, historical grievances, injustices, unfair or disparate treatment, or wrongs—whether real or imagined (Dangerous Personalities 2014 Rodale Publishing).

They don’t forgive or forget and they don’t move on. They wallow in the actual or often perceived transgressions of others and they allow sentiments of animosity and vengeance to percolate and froth at the surface by their constant and attentive nurturing of those perceived wounds. As you can imagine, in an imperfect world where there are real injustices, where people make mistakes, and stupid things are said and done, the wound collector never has to go far to feel victimized. 

What is the definition of a wound collector or wound collecting?

Wound collecting is the conscious and systematic collection and preservation of transgressions, violations, social wrongs, grievances, injustice, unfair treatment, or slights of self and others, for the purpose of  nourishing, fortifying, or justifying a malignant ideology, furthering hatred, satisfying a pathology, or for exacting revenge. 

What kind of people meet this criteria? 

Anyone who, because of a personality disorder or character traits (e.g., insecurities, paranoia, fear, xenophobia, or due to emotional instability), inflexibly seeks to collect wounds and slights for a purpose that usually has negative social consequences or is self serving. This can be anyone from a spouse, to a terrorist, to a mass killer.

 

Or … a 60 something loner playing video poker 24/7/365.

That is all…


~OGD~

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Good point about the irony. I do see a lot of people – both left and right – seeking to associate Paddock with their political opponents so as to hate them all the more – which I find that very disturbing.

My guess is that he got to a point in his life – possibly through mental deterioration – that he just hated the presence of other people so much he couldn’t stand it anymore. He was private and demanding and arrogant, so maybe he was infuriated at the idea of a bunch of yahoos taking over big, public spaces to whoop it up loudly, drunkenly, and mindlessly. But that’s just a guess. We may never know what happened to him, especially since those who knew him best are apparently just dumbfounded by this.

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