If the case is serious enough, it is done. Big drug or Mafia case cooperator, I would bet you it is done. I would bet you it was done when Sammy The Bull, having been appointed a non Gotti paid attorney, decided to come in and plead guilty under a cooperation agreement. I am not saying it is done every case, but one where the US Atty and the defendant want to make sure he is not outed, it is probably done. I dont begrudge the Press or Tierney Snead doing their job, but I would imagine the reason for keeping the proceeding secret is the danger of obstruction given the group of miscreants, miscreant lawyers, miscreant DOJ Acting Attorney General and people like Cohen-Watnick doing Trumpâs bidding and spying at the DOJ, all at the center of the various conspiracies here.
Iâm sorry I hurt your feelings. My mother had a mole on her face that produced 3 black hairs. My siblings and I teased her about it and she gave it back in triple. About 10 years ago my older brother had to have a segment of his colon removed and a colostomy bag installed for a while. My mother called him and said, âAt least your bag matches your shoes finally.â We were that kind of family. Anyway, youâre right; I shouldnât have said that.
Actually, Iâve kind of liked herâever since she avoided his hug on stage. (Canât remember if it was at the Repugnant convention or some other function.) She seems unlike the restâI wonder if heâs really her father. She mostly wasnât raised in his presence, and that must have helped.
probably yes. and won at the District Court. in DC. Will there be secret argument before the USSC? And why?
It is almost axiomatic. Trump must answer for his crimes. The offenses are too much. Too obvious. For a president (or any leader) to commit these crimes in this manner and pronounce himself unpunishable would be the death of this Republic in the short term sense and long term sense.
Short term: continuing the damage to our institutions, environment (social and physical), policy
Long term: establish a legal precedent
All sensible Americans know this. The click-bait present in the media is just that:
Click Bait
El Chapo is already on trial. This subpoena is for a big guy who doesnât want publicity. on these terms. Heâll tweet viciously if it suits him, but not this publicity. It will be public soon.
Very informed guess. I would have guessed the extraordinary measures were to protect some investigation and information from the big guy who tweets, and all his spies embedded in House Committees, the former Sessions Chief of Staff and special national security advisor who had been fired from the White House for sharing classified information with Devin Nunes, etc. But this is a high probability informed speculation of who is possibly involvedâŚEspecially since it involves an appeal
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No, it is not ânormalâ. That is why there is a headline, âExtraordinary MeasuresâŚâ over this.
Have you ever represented someone who might be killed by a drug cartel or OC for cooperating.
I can almost hear your indignant hand-wringing.
Do you want POLITICO or Tierney Sneed to be able to stake out the courtroom and coat rooms and sleuth out who entered a courtroom for a sealed proceeding?
That would be cool. Hiding in a closet is how Jay Leno kept his job on the Tonight Show.
What about on Child Abuse matters that are conducted in sealed courtooms, are those Real Star Chamber Stuff?
So your claim is that the right wing is totally always completely 100% on board with reality and facts and would never make anything out of this mysterious circumstance to spread some new conspiracy story.
The same people who pushed the pizza parlor child porn ring story and got a guy to go shoot the place up?
I would say that is naive.
I am saying that POLITICO is a GOP rag, notwithstanding its attempts to cleanse itself after helping elect Trump, and that their desire to sleuth out who is possibly cooperating with Mueller or who is appealing an unfavorable ruling in a Mueller investigation, ought not be enabled by TPM.
But you are entitled to your opinions. However, just so you know, I do not wring my hands. Latinos donât do that. It is sort of an Anglo thing, this hand wringing. Maybe of British or Northern European origin.
And it is normal procedure for a big important still under investigation case. I am sure that the SDNY and EDNY take this measure several times a year, in their big cases. I will admit it is extraordinary in your run of the mill cases. But this is probably done several times a year in the very court house from which the story was reported.
They donât recuse based on who they previously worked for, they recuse based on what they worked on.
One time, online, I mentioned a specific body type as like âromancing a bag of antlers,â because I thought it hi-larious as toss off into the anonymous internet. Someone on the chat line with that body type objected IN ALL CAPS,to my my dismissive attitude and opinion and others kn the group were happy to point out I could not be a (fill in the blank) if I thought that, bla bla blaa et al, etc. Then the next day, she was hit by a bus and died, miserable!!!
Well, maybe not, it was the middle 90âs and the web was just a blip on the horizon.
" I do not wring my hands. Latinos donât do that. It is sort of an Anglo thing, this hand wringing. Maybe of British or Northern European originâŚ"
I realize there are more honored Tribes within the Latinos, the same is among the Anglos. My heritage is Saxons, Celts. and Vikings, The only time they massaged their hands was after the battle. Thank you.
Ooooooh, I see! You were just being a little hypocritical when you tore a strip off of me (joking, just joking) . Had I known the back story I might have replied to you that I was committing suicide out of guilt for having hurt your feelings and force you to put your second notch on your smoking and deadly keyboard. But, I doubt, Iâd do that to a fellow Oregonian. What I said must not have been all that bad then because you only used ALL CAPS for one word. Iâll bet you were massaging your hands after leaving that rebuke for me though.
I donât think I directed this statement and the anthropology or ethnological origins of hand wringing at @morriganinoregon. But her response, on behalf of Anglos, is perfectly acceptable.
The reply was to someone in the thread who implied that I was wringing my hands by stating that Court Room security measures such as shutting down an entire floor of a federal courthouse to general public access (or, to the outrage of the still Right Wing Rag, POLITICO, to the sacred and entitled likes of themselves) is appropriate at times, and that it would be better understood by the commenter if she/he had ever had a client who, because of cooperation, might be exposed to, or have her/his families exposed to, efforts at changing / influencing their testimony, or death.
But unlike the current occupant of the White House, and his FOX viewing army of followers, and some active military service members with whom I have spoken recently who seem to support him, I am capable of understanding that people of other ethnicities share elements of humanity. That said, I can assure whoever accused me of hand wringing, that Latinos, especially Latinos of Latino-Italian heritage, probably donât hand wring. Statistically, stereotypically and empirically speaking.
morriganinoregon had (deservedly) chastised me for an insensitive, off hand comment I had made earlier in the thread. I noticed her remark to you and thought her feathers were a little ruffled toward you. I remember your original post and agreed with it at the time. By including you in my reply to her, I guess, I was just teasing her a little bit more. I hope she doesnât take further umbrage.
No problem.