Discussion: Dem Rep Says Rarely Invoked Law Could Make Trump Release Taxes

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Is Trump so buried in scandal and lies, he simply can never be considered legitimate? Just WHAT is hiding in those taxes that he is so desperate to cover up?

The question still lingers, is he really a legitimate President?

I QUESTION IT SERIOUSLY AND SO DO MANY REAL EXPERTS.

His grossly inadequate understanding of our constitution and its three-branch constraints SIMPLY DISQUALIFIES TRUMP AS ANYTHING AKIN TO “LEGITIMATE.”.

Trump quite certainly thought he was being elected dictator, he is simple minded that way. AND NOW HE “RULES BY DECREE”, there are no laws he can sign, BECAUSE REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS ARE STUCK SCRAMBLING TO COVER THEIR LYING ASSES OVER THE OBAMACARE SCARE THEY CREATED,

Which only reinforces Trump’s dictatorial delusions.

It has come down to a reckoning over the Obamacare/ACA deception perpetrated by Republicans on ignorant voters since 2009. Their lie is collapsing even as they think it has come to fruition.

In their deception-fueled rise to false majority, they confused their own voters, creating an Obamacare boogeyman that masked the real ACA, and they led with that deception at every juncture. Now those voters are figuring out, as their healthcare is threatened and they discover their beloved ACA, that protects them from pain and suffering, and the evil Obamacare, that they were brainwashed to hate for any reason but the truth, ARE THE SAME THING!

Anyone who thinks that is silly doesn’t know these people.

They believed what FOX and Rush et al told them about “evil Obamacare” despite their own personal experience with the ACA. Sounds ridiculous, but it is unfortunately very true.

It didn’t happen in a vacuum. It required a complicit oldstream media and a list of common lies stacked up endlessly to maintain the ruse, but it simply could not be sustained after Trump was so unduly elected and the harsh reality sunk in.

But now that people are actually LOSING those benefits, they have made the logic leap. They are waking from their stupor. Something moves them to sanity.

Pain can do that. They are going to be very angry when the implications of their foolishness and the deception that spawned it come to light in the chaos of Trump’s absurd administration.

They aren’t just mad their healthcare is going away, they are angry they were fooled like fools.

Discovering Obamacare and the ACA are one and the same thing must have hurt, physically. These low-information reactionary voters are beginning to realize in the hardest way that Trump used them like a cheap trick to get elected, then went to DC and started dismantling their hard-won healthcare.

Call it Obamacare all they want, it is the ACA they want to dismantle, and The People they deceived are getting wise to their lies.

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“…A 1924 law…”. What law?

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The problem here is Trump doesn’t care about laws but he will use the “law”.
He’s above the law…he thinks.
His usual strategy here would be to threaten, then go to court and string out the other party until they run out of money to litigate. He’s done that hundreds of times.
But now he’s up against an outfit that can print all the cash they need.
edit
trump’s diversionary shiny object today is the following tweet:

Donald J. Trump
‏@realDonaldTrump

58m58 minutes ago
I know Mark Cuban well. He backed me big-time but I wasn’t interested in taking all of his calls.He’s not smart enough to run for president!

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“This isn’t for the Democrats or the Republicans, and it’s not to embarrass anybody,"

there’s the problem… until they are embarrassed they just don’t care.

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Is it this law? This is the CFR cited in Rep. Pascrell’s statement.

26 U.S. Code § 6103 - Confidentiality and disclosure of returns and return information

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6103

Edit. This is the section of interest

(f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress
(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation
Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.
(2) Chief of Staff of Joint Committee on Taxation
Upon written request by the Chief of Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish him with any return or return information specified in such request. Such Chief of Staff may submit such return or return information to any committee described in paragraph (1), except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.
(3) Other committees
Pursuant to an action by, and upon written request by the chairman of, a committee of the Senate or the House of Representatives (other than a committee specified in paragraph (1)) specially authorized to inspect any return or return information by a resolution of the Senate or the House of Representatives or, in the case of a joint committee (other than the joint committee specified in paragraph (1)) by concurrent resolution, the Secretary shall furnish such committee, or a duly authorized and designated subcommittee thereof, sitting in closed executive session, with any return or return information which such resolution authorizes the committee or subcommittee to inspect. Any resolution described in this paragraph shall specify the purpose for which the return or return information is to be furnished and that such information cannot reasonably be obtained from any other source.
(4) Agents of committees and submission of information to Senate or House of Representatives
(A) Committees described in paragraph (1)
Any committee described in paragraph (1) or the Chief of Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation shall have the authority, acting directly, or by or through such examiners or agents as the chairman of such committee or such chief of staff may designate or appoint, to inspect returns and return information at such time and in such manner as may be determined by such chairman or chief of staff. Any return or return information obtained by or on behalf of such committee pursuant to the provisions of this subsection may be submitted by the committee to the Senate or the House of Representatives, or to both. The Joint Committee on Taxation may also submit such return or return information to any other committee described in paragraph (1), except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.
(B) Other committees
Any committee or subcommittee described in paragraph (3) shall have the right, acting directly, or by or through no more than four examiners or agents, designated or appointed in writing in equal numbers by the chairman and ranking minority member of such committee or subcommittee, to inspect returns and return information at such time and in such manner as may be determined by such chairman and ranking minority member. Any return or return information obtained by or on behalf of such committee or subcommittee pursuant to the provisions of this subsection may be submitted by the committee to the Senate or the House of Representatives, or to both, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer, shall be furnished to the Senate or the House of Representatives only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.
(5) Disclosure by whistleblower
Any person who otherwise has or had access to any return or return information under this section may disclose such return or return information to a committee referred to in paragraph (1) or any individual authorized to receive or inspect information under paragraph (4)(A) if such person believes such return or return information may relate to possible misconduct, maladministration, or taxpayer abuse.

Coz I’m terrible at interpreting this stuff and am not sure how it applies. Someone, please enlighten a poor legalilliterate.

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Cool. Nail the fucker.

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Just as Trump asked of Obama, I would like to see his college transcrips as well.

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"Fighting corruption is not just good governance. It’s self-defense. It’s patriotism." – Joe Biden

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What you have quoted here seems to be the only reference to code in the press release: Pascrell Calls on Ways & Means Chair to Request Trump Tax Returns

They refer to the emoluments clause of the constitution, but this request to Treasury comes under a statute, not on the basis of a constitution issue like the Zephyr Teachout case.

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he hasn’t finished inventing them yet…

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Section 6103(f)(4)(A) of the Internal Revenue Code, passed as part of the Treasury Act of 1924 gives Congress the right to inspect individual tax returns.

George Yin did an excellent op ed piece in WaPo last week. The article has a link to his scholarly research on the subject. TL:DR … Trump poses an “unpresidented” ethical challenge. Reviewing it is Congress’ job under the Constitucky :stuck_out_tongue:

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Not yet accusing anyone, but the fact that Dems pussyfoot around Trump is infuriating. If that law exists, don’t say “…could be used”, say, “…will abso-fucking-lutely be used” to expose Trump’s massive conflicts of interest. Why are Dems afraid to kick this Orange Fecal Stain to the curb and back? Use every single arrow in the quiver, Dems. And, if after that Trump is still twitching, use a Bowie knife to finish the job.

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Time to kick it up a notch from “Fake Laws” to " Fake Congress."

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Yes. I found it under sec. f, Disclosure to Committees of Congres. I’ve edited my post to include it. They may have him, here. But the Committee chairman must go along with the request…

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Thank you for that.

If he isn’t hiding something there is no reason for him not to release the returns. This President is such a sleeze, for him not to be hiding something is beyond belief. My guess is he doesn’t want the extent of his relations with Russians to become known.

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I don’t think the Committee Chairman will be able to go to the bathroom without an interruption if he doesn’t go along.
There will be thousands of calls, if not 100’s of thousands.

Will there be any legal way for Trump to stop this request? My impression is no.

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Any congressman, Democrat or Republican, who doesn’t go along with this should be targeted in 2018. “Do your job” should become the Democratic rallying cry.

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The disclosure of the president’s tax returns is the biggest possible deal. It’s a national security issue. National security is nonpartisan, nonnegotiable. So is the possibility of corruption and abuse of power. The senate Ways and Means committee must submit a similar request. If the Republican chairmen of the Committees don’t assent to this request, that is the stuff of national protests and all bets being off. This has to be the subject of a massive, massive nonpartisan national campaign based on core American values: national security (Russia); anti-corruption (profiteering from office); and basic democracy (the accountability of public servants to the public). Enough is enough.

The relevant statute provides:

  1. Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation
    Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request,

This means that Dems. sitting on the Finance Committees, and Joint Committee on Taxation in both the House and the Senate should file similar formal requests of their respective chairmen. There has to be a total push on this.

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