Discussion: Coulter Flip-Flops On Birtherism: Cruz Not ‘Natural Born Citizen’

That was so incredible. I watched the whole Kennedy Center Honors on my computer a couple of nights ago because I missed it on PBS this year. I love that kind of stuff.

Although if your criteria only takes into account the number of right wing nutsos, Alberta is far more ‘American’ than Hawaii.

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The doubts have already begun even among conservative Republicans.

If a man cannot renounce his joint citizenship with Canada when he reaches adulthood, where do his real loyalties lie even now? Cruz waited until just last year when he decided to run for president to cut all ties with Canada. Has he ever felt any loyalty to any country?

Should American voters put a person with those divided loyalties into a position of ultimate power in the White House?

The Founders were far more worried about that than they were about where a person was born. Cruz personifies all their fears. They worried that someday some man from some other land would become president who didn’t really feel any allegiance to or advocate for the best interests of the United States.

More importantly, Cruz has already said that he would put HIS god above the US Constitution. This admission suggests a man who would follow his own rules rather than the laws of our land. It speaks to his untrustworthy nature and a tendency to abuse power.

Coulter got this one right but for the wrong reason.

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My father was born in Honduras of parents who were both American citizens, and he always thought he could not be president, because he was not native born. Maybe he was wrong, and I could have been the daughter of the president of the USA.

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It’s pretty obvious that none of the Republicans trust each other any longer. Why should voters?

There are so many bad seeds running in the GOP presidential primaries. Who knows what any of them would morph into if they are given the space to grow in the White House with unlimited power? It’s just too risky to vote for any of them.

If Ann Coulter is feeling uncertain (for maybe the first time in her career as a political hack), then you know that she’s really concerned about Cruz. He doesn’t feel any allegiance to anything except his own interests.

Takes one to know one.

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Funny how everyday, ordinary citizens can read the Constitution and immediately know what it means but politicians and lawyers are always debating what is self evident…trying to make their square pegs fit into round holes.

Your father or mother would have been far more qualified and successful in doing their duties as our president than any of the “natural born” doorknobs running in the GOP primaries this year.

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You mean she became a naturalized Canadian citizen before she married Mr. Cruz, in order for Mr. Cruz to join her in Canada? And so appears to believe that she had dual U.S. Canadian citizenship at the time that Ted Cruz was born? Like you, It has always been my understanding that you can’t affirmatively become a citizen of another country without having been considered to have renounced your U.S. citizenship. This issue is finessed in some cases (Israel) by the fact that Israel confers citizenship on certain classes of people, so they are not affirmatively seeking citizenship in another country. Other countries (Ireland) will allow individuals to be acknowledged as citizens of Ireland for purposes of travel if they meet certain conditions (like they can prove that all four of their grandparents were born in Ireland). Likewise, you might have a claim to citizenship of two countries under existing rules of those countries. The issue is affirmatively seeking citizenship from a non-U.S. sovereign.

Weird. It’s almost like the “natural born” (as opposed to unnaturally born?) parent has a lower grade of citizenship just because time spent abroad.

I never miss this program. I record it and watch it next night, FF past commercials. It’s just wonderful. Wonder why the president was missing at the beginning of the program but showed up later

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See my post. Rules prior to 1986 were actually more stringent, and required 10 years of residence in the U.S., at least five of which had to occur after the age of 14. This provision, generally, is to prevent people from inheriting citizenship from parents who left the United States and who never provided their children with any contact with the United States.

George Romney was born in Mexico. Nor does the parents being in the military make any difference. US bases abroad are not US territory; they are leased from the host country.

Leslie Jones could.

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Some of the more extreme birthers took the position that because she was Hawaiian she could not have been a U.S. citizen for the requisite number of years prior to Obama’s birth, thus making Hawaii’s electoral votes an even further reach for the GOP. Good thing there are only three of them. At one point, when I was bored at work I went to Expedia and tried to see what it would take to travel from Hawaii to Nairobi and it takes three days even now – your best bet is to go through Amsterdam. Try to imagine what it was like in the early 60s when nobody flew – a woman in an advanced state of pregnancy hanging out in London for the once weekly BOAC flight, with lots of stops along the way. It’s so ludicrous it would be funny if it weren’t representative of something so ugly.

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Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Ann Coulter and Trump are right on this one. Ted Cruz is not eligible to be president.
In 2008 Congress had to pass a special resolution saying that McCain was eligible. And he had 2 US citizen parents and was born on a US military base in Panama.

Cruz can not be President.

Actually, the Panama Canal Zone was considered US territory until we ceded it back to Panama.

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George Romney was born in Mexico, but to two US citizens (some Mormons moved to Mexico after polygamy was outlawed for them); he got court approval sating he was a citizen prior to running for POTUS.

Ted Cruz’s claim he is eligible to be POTUS is far more tenuous.

And I would then say - “Prove it!”

Thats the problem with facts, as Homer Simpson says, “You could use facts to prove anything that’s even remotely true!”

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I don’t know about Romney (he was never the candidate) but what I said applied to Goldwater. Mea Culpa if I lumped Romney in with Goldwater and McCain by accident…

BTW, I was not inferring that a US military base was US soil. FWIW, the Canal Zone was US territory at the time…

In my many readings of relevant laws as part of my son’s saga (some years ago mind you) I do recall statutes related to military personnel and foreign births. The laws are a bit arcane…

The Birthers became desperate to prove Obama was born in Kenya - truly stupid of them, which is saying a lot; no young American student in 1961, having her first baby, would have flown to Kenya in Africa to deliver her first baby, for crying out loud - because they could negate his citizenship; his mother delivering him in Kenya after not have residing long enough in the US as an adult to confer citizenship on her son if he was born abroad, see.

One even made a fake Kenyan BC; for Birthers, that fake one essentially became their ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’.

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