Discussion: Conservatives Threaten Ryan's Job If Bipartisan Immigration Bill Goes To Vote

“The graveyards are full of indispensable men”. Charles DeGaulle

Bye, Paulie :blush:

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That’s OK, I hear the tRump Criminal Enterprise is still having trouble filling the ambassadorship position to Ireland, which is still vacant after a year and a half. Maybe that’ll be his next job or what he’s really holding out for in the next chapter of his measly life. The only true immigrant story RAyn is willing to embrace in this country are for those that came here due to a potato famine, like those in his own family. All others today, as far as he’s concerned, can eat dirt.

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Do the math, willya?

The issue isn’t whether a majority of the Rs can support a bill – that would be 119 of the 236.

What Ryan is confronting is the REAL meaning of the Hastert Rule – he can’t get 218, from within the 236 Rs. So the Rs are categorically rejecting the way House majorities – ACTUAL majorities – have been built since the Founding: with most (but not all) of the partisan majority, plus a few dozen or so of the partisan minority.

We’re not talking about 25 Rs, and all 193 Ds, either. The math would work, but not the politics – and it’s not the way the partisan House majority has ever worked: “If you govern with less than half of your side and nearly all of their side, there is something wrong with your side.”

So we’re really talking about whether the Rs can get more than 119 of their partisan majority to support legislation that gets at least 100 or so of the Ds – half+ one plus half, more or less.

THAT is when it becomes a substantive debate, because what nearly all Ds insist on is that cutting legal immigration in half is unacceptable, even to get green cards for DREAMers. But that’s the price for roughly 60-100 (nobody is sure) of the Rs.

What would happen if Ryan dropped that, and urged his Rs to vote the national interest? Who knows? But it’s happened before.

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If you stray from our Fascist ways you will pay.
Where did you get the idea that bipartisan, what the America public wants,is what we want?

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The Spineless One got a sad! Poor boy, maybe he needs to spend more time with his family.

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Ever notice that since Hastert was convicted of raping teenage boys they don’t call it the Hastert Rule anymore.

But they still try to enforce it…

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It was called The Hastert Rule, but even though Hastert was Speaker, he was created and owned by Tom Delay. Call it the Delay Rule and it all makes perfect sense that they’re holding to it.

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The Hastert Rule…named after a convicted pedophile. That fits the reprehensible character of the Republican majority entirely. The principle of only voting with the majority of the majority within your own party, is named after a person who fondled little boys, intimidated them into silence and kept it secret for years to avoid criminal liability. This is who they’ve chosen to hang their hats on to make the mechanisms of thwarting democracy their highest order. Its not even a constitutional imperative. Instead, its an undemocratic choice they continue to stick by to justify their obstruction while being in the majority.

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This is ridiculous. Realistically, why should the conservative bomb-throwers have any leverage at all in this situation? Ryan is done at the end of the term, the ‘free-dumb caucus’ is a small minority of the house. This is all on Ryan–if he allows a bipartisan bill to happen, it can happen. If he uses even a little influence, it would be even easier. Is he worried that he might compromise whatever lucrative position the right-wing has lined up for him upon ‘retirement’?

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Ryan’s is a lame duck. That normally emboldens Republicans to do the right thing. What is Pauli’s problem?

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Ryan has a chance to take a stand and do something decent for a vast number of people for a change.

He won’t, the little prick.

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That’s nice

Please proceed
We like what you are doing

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Bingo!

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Doesn’t want to hurt his chances with wingnut welfare

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[quote=“rickjones, post:12, topic:72518”]
Ryan has a chance to take a stand and do something decent for a vast number of people for a change.
[/quote]Sorry; thought you were serious for a minute.

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I heard what passes for a debate yesterday on MSNBC, with a Trump PAC guy who kept making distinctions between “Establishment Republicans” like Tom Cole and Trump Republicans. It sounds as if they are threatening a split into an actual Trump Party.
Proceed, gentlemen.

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He will get wingnut welfare. Any number of lobby shops want him. He is a rainmaker.

It could be argued that a stand here is in the best interests of the Republican party which desperately needs to break out of its self-imposed amnesty trap. Right now America is hurting because of a collapse in our birth rate. We need to increase the number of legal immigrants we bring in from the rest of the world. We can’t because of the amnesty trap that has elevated talking points over the needs of the Republican business interests.

This is Pauli’s opportunity to rise above for the benefit of the billionaires who are hurting in the current environment.

The alternative would be to dramatically improve education all across the board so all of our students would be available to pick up the slack in the economy. Of course, that is something Republicans don’t want to do because that would obviously help minorities.

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He is a Kochsucker

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Too bad there aren’t 30 Republicans who love their country more than the Rump Russians. They could caucus with thoughtful, sensible, conservative Democrats to elect Nancy Pelosi speaker. Actually get shit done, and the freedom fucks could have all the protest votes they want.

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