Discussion: Conservatives Threaten Ryan's Job If Bipartisan Immigration Bill Goes To Vote

If they don’t have the 218 votes to overthrow Ryan, this is all Kabuki Theatre.

eta: “Conservatives Threaten…” It’s what they do…

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Moral cowardice. Now ask me a harder one.

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Interesting choice of words from Meadows: “depress anybody who feels like the Republican Party needs to be strong on immigration.” The ‘needs’ says it all.

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Yeah, how dare they vote on something!

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Man, who WOULDN’T want to carry around this backpack full of vipers ever day?

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Loved the entirety of your comment but I especially like the image of “policy wonk” Ryan being stuck with this particular bit of math.

Ryan has said he will avert that outcome, though it’s unclear how, and many conservatives consider it intolerable.

My tears are flowing freely.

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This would be hilarious if so much weren’t at stake and I’m not talking about Ryan’s job. We just had a member of Trump’s admin conspiring to remove a sitting House Speaker who’s a member of the ruling party.

Trump and his enablers have to be stopped in November!

Run for office. Register people to vote. Get to the polls.

These cretins are destroying our Democracy!

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Well, we know Australia’s up for grabs! I sure wouldn’t mind Paulie being on the other side of the planet for a good, long while!

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This was predicted from the day Ryan took the job. It was never going to end any other way.

(Though it may end with his retirement. And that retirement is due to something else, which was less predictable: a Dem opponent in his district with a strong chance of beating him.)

Oh, oh…I hate trump but I’ll be ambassador to Ireland or Australia! Pick me! Pick me!
Doesn’t mean I have to do anything trump wants, fuck him, but I’ll live in either place until Orange Bastard is gone.

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Here’s a question/thought not sure anyone has thought of, and this could be scary …

Ok, November mid-terms come and go and the Dems win the House, probably by only a few seats, but they win - plausible outcome, right? Possible result, Paul Ryan is not only a lame duck speaker but one that’s losing his seat when the new Congress is seated in January.

Think about the inevitable lame duck session of Congress in November and December. Knowing the R’s will lose power in six weeks anyway, no matter what they do and no matter who is speaker (keeping in mind the possibility of a rebellion against Ryan and we get a freedom caucus member as speaker for those six weeks) … what kind of bills do they pass? What do they push through to kick off the 2020 election cycle? On strictly party line votes, do they push legislation not just defunding Planned Parenthood, but outlawing the organization completely? Do they pass bills (knowing the Senate won’t let them become law), eliminating most of the first amendment - limiting the media, limiting free speech, recommending a state sponsored religion? Totally kill Medicaid and severely cut back every other safety net program? Nationalize elections with a national voter ID law that gets us going back down the path to only property owning white males being allowed to vote, or only elders in the state approved churches get to vote? Or maybe a party line vote that recommends revisiting the whole two terms as president thing?

Admittedly we probably have the filibuster rule in the Senate to keep most of that legislation from getting to the Oval Office. But, knowing what we know, what’s to keep McConnell, with the urging of the freedom caucus and the urging of the president, from pushing a rules change that says during a lame duck session, it only takes 51 votes to cut off debate and call for a vote? Oh, and now there’s 15 judges on the Supreme Court and Trump gets to name all six, and they only need 51 votes too - forget swing votes, now there are 10 federalist society judges and only takes eight votes for a majority decision.

With no oversight and no repercussions (Dem House but R Senate and R president won’t get repeals through), what’s to prevent the lame duck Congress from doing what North Carolina did a couple years ago but in reverse - ceding nearly all the legislative power and oversight power to the executive branch?

We know the R’s want the power, without the responsibility of answering to voters (unless they get to pick which voters) or to the media (all they care about for media is Limbaugh, Hannity, and Fox and Friends).

The scenario is probably a little far fetched in scope, but think about it, you all can see it potentially happening. And if all that happens, forget about the 2020 elections to undo it all … they won’t happen.

And if you think Tom Delay didn’t have dirt on that filthy pederast, I have a bug bombing business in Texas to sell you.

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The job he is quitting?

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Shame on you Paul! If you think this is bad wait till you’re out and about in Wisconsin and the Democrats take back your legislature there, think you can walk down the street and not reap the seed that you have sown by doing nothing. See how your tribe is, you have to make a stand you have to decide and you didn’t . You said on the fence use hardly said anything and you think you’re going to walk away with some sort of reputation of a standup guy, nope. Yellow is your color Paul.

Speakers come …and Speakers go …

and some Speakers peter out … ya know –

But Paul remains true … to Ayn Rand’s whim …

So peter out ? … or peter in ? …–

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Lol. Right. They’re going to give up their summer recess to work on removing Ryan before his last term ends a few months later. What sort of a threat is that?

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