Jill Stein voters may think they’re making some righteous stand against the “establishment”, but, in reality, they are giving Trump a leg up.
Any so-called progressive or Democrat who votes for Johnson or Stein is voting for Trump. This is why I’ve never trusted ReaLiberals. They’ll sell minorities up and down the river because they didn’t get their way. They were never on our side and they never will be.
Johnson is such a doofus that he makes Trump look Presidential.
His level of support is shocking.
Johnson doesn’t see global warming as an issue.
State polls matter more, and so far Trump is no threat to take any blue state away from HC.
When Talking Points Memo publishes some new results from new poll, I’d appreciate it if we can learn what type of polling was done, direct phone calls, including cell phones, or “automated” (translated as “useless”). Include the breakdown of race, breakdown of % on cell phone or land line, those over 45, those under 30, percent as “Republican/conservative”, Democratic/liberal, etc. We canot keep track of the dozens of polling firms and all their metholdologies in our head. Perhaps a link at the bottom of the article to a chart showing how each poll is done, the percentage break-downs I described above, perhaps more details about each… dates of all polls… etc, and how the “TPM Average” is accomplished, which polls are rejected and why, etc.
I am of an age, location and standard of living where I could theoretically live out the rest of my life under what would come from a Drumpf presidency (barring a nuclear holocaust).
It is my three daughters who I am terrified for…
They are fully behind HRC, but routinely encounter disaffected Bernie Bros, or Steinbots who don’t have a clue as to what a Drumpf presidency would do to them. Hope they wake up before the election…
Don’t believe these polls it’s just the MSM that wants it close
All these so called Bernie supporters who go for Johnson or Stine weren’t with Bernie at all just Trump supporters
A very thoughtful and provocative post. Yes, I hope friends of your daughters wake up before November 8, but the time is getting close. How do we reach the under 35 set, particularly to get registered and actually vote? Some states close registration by the first part of October. Some let you register up until election day… here’s a link…pass it on to your children to distribute to their friends. See, we don’t even have to knock on doors anymore… email and internet can help people learn to register and vote in whatever state.
Exactly. It makes me furious to see people who are perfectly okay with burning down the entire house because they’re pissed that Sanders didn’t win.
They’re totally okay with losing Obamacare, starting a new war in the Middle East, losing the right for women to decide on their own health care, pissing away a shot at raising the minimum wage and guaranteeing paid family leave, and sacrificing the marriage rights of their gay friends and family members. Not to mention losing a chance to completely overturn Citizens United and strike a heart through gerrymandering, which would have a huge impact on the political system.
I’m NOT okay with that. I voted for Sanders in the primary, but I’ll be damned if I let Donald Trump stack the Supreme Court.
I wish that were true, but it’s simply not. I know of not one former Bernie supporter who is voting for Stein. They are all voting for Johnson because weed. And all of them had a pretty positive opinion of Clinton before the primary, but now believe she’s perhaps worse than Trump.
I really wish more of them understood it, “got it” the way you do. It’s fine to have supported Bernie in the primary, but that’s over now and any vote that isn’t for Clinton is a vote for the worst presidential candidate in our nation’s history.
That’s the part that makes me angry. But the part that just frustrates the ever-loving shit out of me, however, is the math denial. It’s Inhofe-with-a-snowball stupid. It’s Brownbeck doubling down on austerity stupid. It’s worse than those, because it’s fucking math. Math is inexorable and undeniable and, at least at the scale of the simple arithmetic behind the game theory analysis of a two-party competitive election, not at all fuzzy. Your your feelings can’t change it. It’s not goddamn opinion, it’s math.
And the math is simple: a vote for a third party who can’t win is .5 votes for the candidate who can win you least want to win.
And yet, the crap you get back from them when you point it out (which, to be fair, was pretty much identical to the stuff I got from Hillary supporters long about April of 2008) is astonishing.
I saw Stein on that Fox News Sunday interview last week and she actually came off a little grifty. I would recommend to anyone who thinks she has something to say actually listen to what she has to say.
5 points ahead in the heavily repug weighted Quinnipiac poll? Am I reading this correctly?
"They’ll sell minorities up and down the river because they didn’t get their way. "
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
There isn’t enough Xanax in America to get me through this election.
Wow - just saw African-American woman walk on stage and tell Trump they didn’t invite him to Flint to give a political speech. Others are interrupting. Great stuff!
Yes, except that the Hilary Clinton supporters (much to my surprise) have proven to be far more rational, mature and intelligent than the Bernie Dead Enders. Considering how the Clintonites behaved in 2008, that doesn’t say much at all about the Bros.
I have no qualms about voting for Stein, even though she is not my ideal candidate. Its a protest against the choices we are being offered by the 2 corporate-controlled parties. I have voted for many third parties in the past and expect to in the future. It’s not a difficult choice for me since I live in CA, where Hillary will win by (at least) 20 points. If I were in a swing state I would vote for Hillary.