Discussion: Climate Deniers Panic Over The Pope's Visit

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Climate change denial bubble–where Ignorance is Strength

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The reactionaries will never admit they could be wrong. Sadly, this is one issue where being wrong means no going back.

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Huh, some old guy who actually cares about how human beings treat the planet and the consequences, from droughts in the middle east inflaming the migrant crisis to wildfires destroying homes in California to food shortages in the Sahel.

Next thing you know he’s going to ask you to treat your neighbor as yourself; or tell you how hard it is for rich people to get into heaven. I just know it.

No wonder conservatives are upset…doesn’t the Pope know that Jesus taught everybody “screw you I got mine”? What’s the matter with this guy?

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It is hard to find a time in history when the liars were so desperate because an honest man with a microphone was out there exposing their lies.

The convergence of this man’s simple honesty and his popehood makes it all the more impossible for the liars to dismiss the moral implications of destroying this precious planet that they so perniciously ignore and are desperate to keep others from hearing…

They have spent decades brainwashing conservatives to live in denial of what science has proven unequivocally, and along comes Francis to point out just how naked that emperor is to his 1.2 BILLION devotees.

Those liars may have billions of dollars, but Francis has a billion followers, and guess which billion can’t dance… OR vote.

This is wonderful, simply mahvelous, the schadenfreude from watching the liars stumble all over their own lies just lifts my heart.

I have to add, in an edit, they won’t find it as easy to heckle pope Francis as it is President Obama, his devotees are a bit too passionate to let some lout loudmouth spew patent falsehoods from the crowd… that might prove disastrous to the heckler.

Francis’ supporters aren’t likely to tolerate any sort of buffoonery from the denier’s peanut gallery. It could get ugly if they try.

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Good catch on the current crisis in Syria, Turkey, Iraq, etc. Water politics have been stressed by drought. Syrians have been losing their orchards in recent years and the record heat in the north this year was sort of the end. Some countries in the region, e.g. Egypt, already import about 40% of their food and thus nowhere close of food security. On top of this, wheat (which is equal to importing 5,000 liters of water per kilo) harvests elsewhere determine migration and social unrest. The Arab Spring in Egypt followed the 2010 grain failures in Russia and Ukraine (their main suppliers). This year grain supplies should be abundant, but it may be that small Syrian farmers have had problems planting this year. Moreover, the Happy Planet Index shows that many countries in the Middle East, including Turkey, Syria, Egypt and Palestine have lousy life satisfaction scores. I mean horrible. This relates to population booms that have largely been allowed to go critical. Syria’s population went from 6 million in 1980 to 23 million today, with no increase in carrying capacity. These people are basically already living a version of Soylent Green.

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isn’t that a Monsanto product?

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they use it for fertilizer…

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According to American Catholics and Republican politicians, God made the earth so this generation could use it up, consume everything to the point where no living thing can survive.

That makes their pro-life opinions lies.

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How’s about showing any evidence that reducing carbon emissions has any negative impact on growth? The evidence actually suggests it has somewhere between no impact and a modest positive impact. See, the money spent to develop sustainable sources of energy doesn’t vanish from the economy; it creates jobs.

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Joining Koprowski at the Heartland event was Philadelphia radio host and Daily News columnist Dom Giordano, who called Francis “potentially a dangerous figure, given his celebrity and his holiness."

A call to arms? A Second Amendment solution? Nah, not in the United States.............
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All the climate denial liars know is that it doesn’t help THEIR economy… and they are willing to destroy the earth to retain that greedy share.

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I think some pundits need to study their Catechism a bit more before making claims like these.

A selection of quotes from the Catechism of the Catholic Church’s teachings on the Seventh Commandment, “You shall not steal” (Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 7: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a7.htm)

  • 2406: Political authority has the right and duty to regulate the legitimate exercise of the right to ownership for the sake of the common good.
  • 2456: The dominion granted by the Creator over the mineral, vegetable, and animal resources of the universe cannot be separated from respect for moral obligations, including those toward generations to come.
  • 2458: The Church makes a judgment about economic and social matters when the fundamental rights of the person or the salvation of souls requires it. She is concerned with the temporal common good of men because they are ordered to the sovereign Good, their ultimate end.
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You know, so many of these dingbat deniers typically preface their remarks with, ‘Well, I’m not a scientist, but…’

Pope Francis went to technical school, prior to his enrollment in seminary, and worked as a chemical technician.

Yeah, it ain’t climate science, but it is science. So I think he’s far more qualified to speak to this topic than the denier yahoos.

I hope he takes them out to the woodshed and embarrasses them beyond recognition, but in his typical way that leaves no marks. They won’t know what hit them.

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“where ignorant armies clash by night”
– Matthew Arnold

If the Pope cannot influence political leaders, it will all be for naught.

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And that, friend, is the profoundly depressing aspect of it all.

These nihilists had better remember for whom the bell tolls.

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Agreed, any GOP senator or congressman who’s ever used their focus-tested climate change denier mantra “I’m not a scientist, but …” is automatically disqualified from making any remarks about the pope’s position.

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Bingo!

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The “leadership” will follow the people, either by the rules or otherwise. History is quite clear on this.

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In the '60s a number of thinkers/authors discussed how food, especially grains, was a common cause of warfare and would lead to wars and massive migrations. Most authors believed those migrations would start in the ME and would be the main cause of nuclear war between Russia and China along their boarders and into Mongolia. In the late '60s we have already seen one undeclared war between Russia and China over mainly food and control of grain producing areas. With global warming we can expect more of the same.

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