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Or…y’know…the mafia just doesn’t like using guns…
In all seriousness, police and law enforcement is all well and good, but without laws limiting gun purchases and use, it doesn’t matter a hill of beans how many police officers you have.
I should add that this comes after my state had a woman kill four people with a stolen gun which was not reported to the police. I figure that lobbying my state legislators to put in place a law which makes anyone who does not report a stolen weapon to the police be considered an accessory or in some way be considered culpable for the crime would be useless since it would never pass thanks to the gun industry.
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Wait. What???
N.J. homicides soared to seven-year high in 2013 after surges in Newark, Trenton
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That’s it, Chris, grovel and pander and lie more than anyone else. That’s the mark of a true leader.
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“We need to have more information about people’s mental health background. But we don’t need new laws in this country to do that,”
Yes you do, fucktard. Ever heard of HIPAA? Ever looked at what actually gets done for a background check?
As for people not enforcing the laws we have, who and where do you think these people are who are ever so recalcitrant about gun laws? Which states? Which geographic regions? Who do they fucking vote for? Hmmmmmmmmmmm?
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Without comparisons vs other states, or a timeline of gun deaths vs laws, or something, this is one data point that doesn’t make much of a point.
Damn right. Trying to actually keep guns out of the hands of potentially dangerous people by working on the mental-health side would be extremely difficult. It makes a good red herring though, so give the NRA credit for that. The fact is, we don’t have astronomical rates of gun crime because we have more mental illness than other societies. We have more gun crime because we have more guns.
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If one could only circumcise the conservatives’ brains with Occam’s Razor…
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“I don’t know that anybody in America believes that they feel more threatened by this than they feel a threat by ISIS or by other terrorist groups around the world”
Hi Gov. Christie:
I know you’ve been pretty busy campaigning for office, so let me introduce you to a few folks that might have slipped under your radar:
- Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and her husband, Captain Mark Kelly
- Mr. Richard Martinez
- Mrs. Nicole Hockley
- Shannon Watts
They all have something in common: they have all been victimized by gun violence, and they and the organizations they’ve founded all have one goal: to do something about it.
Why not take a few minutes and say hi? You might learn something about real Americans, moms and dads, and their priorities.
Thanks!
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“My heart goes out to those folks who suffered that loss. It’s a terrible thing. I think most Americans are tired — tired of violence, tired of lawlessness.”
These remarks are on a par with the trite “thought and prayers” the pols robotically issue after gun violence and deaths, but really, “folks” are just tired of this blivet.
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Not sure—might only make their brains smaller and less sensitive and we don’t need that. : )
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True, but it may help make them less likely to collect ideological filth that produces cheesy dogma…
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I need to add one more, the young woman named Katherine Steinle killed here in July in San Francisco during a walk with her dad on the Embarcadero by a man who stole a gun from a car belonging to a federal agent. The Donald and other haters made hay with the fact that the killer was Mexican.
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Detroit had 316 murders in 2013, the last year with data. That leads the nation. Probably 90% of those involved a gun. I promise you if ISIS set off a bomb and killed 300 people in Detroit, we would call out the army. There would be universal calls to do something. But because it’s just black folk being killed by guns, nobody cares about any of it and nothing changes.
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Part of the problem is that the people who have mental health issues are far less likely to actually commit crimes than be the victims of them. Out of the last ten years worth of spree killers, for instance, only two that I know of had diagnosed mental health issues- Adam Lanza and James Eagan Holmes. The rest were perfectly sane even if they had their view of the world warped. And in the case of Lanza, he did not use guns he, himself, purchased.
Now, yes, having a mental health background check would help, as demonstrated by Australia, but so would tighter restrictions on guns and a month-long waiting period.
That still doesn’t stop someone from stealing a weapon or getting it through one of those places where background checks don’t happen.
Part of the problem is that we have a culture that actually believes that we need military-style weapons in people’s hands so that they can “protect themselves”, and a culture which puts the blame for a person’s failings on everyone else. Basically, our culture is just really effed up.
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The context is Christie’s claim that the current laws are sufficient.
That so many people are still dying as the result of guns makes Christie’s point, and your reply, absurd.
You might have heard of this. Yesterday a 14-year old boy in W.Va with a pistol held his class including the teacher hostage, but it ended peacefully. He too wants to go down in a hail of police bullets so his name can live on.
.http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/25/us/west-virginia-school-hostage-situation/
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Did this delusional, egomaniacal, narcissist just take credit for the low gun rate in NJ?
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“I don’t know that anybody in America believes that they feel more threatened by this than they feel a threat by ISIS or by other terrorist groups around the world,”
No, you don’t know. About this and a great many other things. But facts, being such beastly stubborn things remain:
2014 Stats
Total Terrorist deaths World Wide – 32,727
http://www.statista.com/statistics/202871/number-of-fatalities-by-terrorist-attacks-worldwide/
Total Terrorist deaths USA – 22
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html
Total Firearms Deaths USA – 33,636
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“I don’t know that anybody in America believes that they feel more threatened by this than they feel a threat by ISIS or by other terrorist groups around the world,” Christie said on Fox News
I haven’t thought of ISIS once…I am more scared that my niece will be shot in her classroom, then I have ever been of ISIS. I wonder if kids in impoverished areas of Newark, Paterson, Camden, Trenton, and Jersey City are afraid of ISIS or getting shot, Governor?
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