Will love to see him on the debate stage.
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He’s courting Trump voters. The biggest weakness I see in Pete is he oversimplifies and creates faux narratives in order to make himself look moderate. In the process, he marginalizes the party, and our history. I have found him to be wafer thin in terms of substance.
It is completely clear - Sodom was destroyed because of its failure to be charitable to orphans and widows. In fact, G-d said to Abraham, if he could find 10 righteous people there, it would not be destroyed. So the easy thing for those concerned is to be righteous themselves. That’s all that is asked.
Great, now why don’t “y’all” tell us what he stands for that can’t fit on a bumper sticker.
A woman beat him 3 million times over last time. Bur for 77K morons in the right place, and barely literate electors, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. This is not an uphill battle.
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Very true, and I hate that I sometimes forget that.
I hate it more when apologists flagrantly state that “the American people elected Trump”.
This is absolutely wrong. He did not offer his daughters to save his own skin. He was beyond appalled that the mob wanted him to violate something very sacred (protection of strangers under his roof) that he responds with something shocking of his own: “Take my daughters, they have not known a man.” His gambit fails because no one is shocked into reality. It’s clear he knows this is a terrible thing to say, but he thinks it will be self-evident and snap them back. Not one bit. This just underscores the dialogue Abraham has with God before this entire episode: “Will you destroy if there are X righteous…?” Apparently, nothing could sway the mob at all, and there wasn’t a single good person among them. (Sounds like the GOP convention.)
His daughters are the ones who got him drunk to get pregnant by him, as they were certain that all the world was dead and they were the last survivors of mankind.
Otherwise, I’m fairly indifferent to Semitic fairy tales.
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Huh? Please explain.
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Yep, that’s a couple of verses for Mayor Pete to commit to memory. And the next time someone asks him what his favorite Bible verse is, that’s what he should quote. And every time he gets heckled with S&G MAGATs, he should throw it right back in their faces. They are the actual Sodomites.
I like my Semitic fairy tales (they’re mine, after all) and I agree with 99% of what’s here. The only quibble is Lot’s motivations. They are open to interpretation, and they have indeed been interpreted 
Lots of commentators come down on various sides of the “why did Lot do this” question. Saving himself is one. Saving his guests is another. Shocking them into reality is yet another. Ancient Near Eastern “hospitality” and “bargaining” practice is another (Richard Elliott Friedman mentions this – the idea is to make an extravagant offer that nobody expects will actually be accepted; a counterpart being Efron’s offer to “give” the field with the Machpelah burial caves to Abraham; everyone knew he wasn’t serious, but that was the protocol.)
But as for the rest of it – yeah.
Heh Or CPAC. Or both…
It would be great to do a protest there – a bunch of people carrying signs of the Ezekiel verses @jlady and @tiowally quoted, decrying the whole damn convention as Sodomites 
You didn’t vote for Obama? Or Clinton?
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It’s not?
So which states do we easily re-take in 2020?
MI? PA? WI? FL?
Wow. You really don’t like him do you?
I made a contribution to him b/c I do think he belongs on the debate stage. But as I’ve heard more, I find him to be lacking in substance. He oversimplifies issues in order to pander to Republicans and in doing so erases needed allies.
For example, when he talked about Republicans presenting their values and winning on values and implied that Dems have not done so, I have to say, wtf is he talking about? Whose party’s values made it possible for him to marry? Which party made it possible for minorities and women (and yes, LGBTQ) to believe that anyone can succeed if they work hard? The Democrats. We won those debates. Republican values led to Trump. He speaks in a way that placates what cable news wants to hear, but it’s not what represents our actual reality. Pete uses his intellectual gifts to run straw man arguments. That suggests a lack of intellectual curiosity and substance to me.
There are just a lot more candidates out there who are far more accomplished. I don’t need to settle for Pete.
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Welcome to the club.
That’s why I contributed to him as well. As far as whose party’s values made it possible for him to marry, he’s very vocal that it’s the Democratic party. He doesn’t shy away from the fact that he’s a progressive. He’s up front and honest about that - I think that he just says it in such a way that it doesn’t scare those who aren’t progressive.
I agree that there are other candidates with longer resumes and more national accomplishments, but if Pete does win the nomination (and it’s still a long shot), I don’t think that I’ll feel like I am settling.
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First heard of him while listening to Wait, Wait on NPR some time ago. It was nice to hear a politician who could laugh at himself, who was an advocate for his city without be pretensions, who was well spoken. That put him on my radar. So far he is the only one to gain any attention from me. I do not want Gillibrand or Warren as they are better where they currently reside. I do not want the old men Sanders and Biden, I am 74, they are just that old get off my lawn types. I’d rather see younger men and women with ideas to help the Nation, I am tired of status quo ideas.
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I guess I need to remind you that:
Hillary Clinton won 3 million votes over her opponent
But for 77K in certain areas (Florida was not one of them), we would not be having this conversation
Her opponent is deeply and consistently unpopular
But hey, if you prefer to think that gaining over 40 seats in the House, a slew of governorships and flipping state legislatures means it’s hopeless, utterly, utterly hopeless, please proceed.
Well said. 
Ezekiel said this about “the sins of Sodom”…
“‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
So it seems that ignoring the poor and needy is the main sin of Sodom.