Discussion: Barr Vs. Mueller: Two Very Different Stories Of What The Special Counsel Found

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Truth vs. Alternative Truth

Guess which one was witch?

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For those who are listening, the following absolutely shouts the warning of an FBI-Mob roll-up:

"Among other things, that evidence could be used if there were co-conspirators who could now be charged.”

Every single other conspirator, outside Fatass, has been warned.

Every. Single. One.

This is how it’s done, when you’re busting a crime family.

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It’s as if they both speak two different languages. English vs twisted lying English.

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Can you elaborate? Who said that and can it be explored or enacted while Bill Barr is sitting on investigations and trying to smother them?

So let’s get the facts straight-

A republican AG orders a republican deputy AG to appoint and oversee a republican Special Counsel to investigate a republican President.

And we’re supposed to be surprised at this result?

An internal DOJ ‘policy’ has rendered this American president above the laws of the land. I really can’t think of anything more antithetical to the American Constitution.

Of course the USSC ruled previously and unanimously that Paula Jones could continue her civil suit against Bill Clinton- but I guess the rules are different for Democrats and Republicans.

At least Mueller was honest in one regard, “We determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes.”

Pages 213 of PDF / page 1 of Volume II of the Mueller Report

Do your job, Nancy.

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That’s from Mueller’s own press conference, and is quoted in Allegra’s article:

His team was adhering to Justice Department policy, and that policy, Mueller said, “explicitly permits the investigation of a sitting President because it is important to preserve evidence while memories are fresh and documents are available. Among other things, that evidence could be used if there were co-conspirators who could now be charged.”

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IANAL, but based on the consequences of a guilty verdict I believe there is a significant difference between civil suit and a criminal indictment. IOW comparing apples to kiwi fruit.

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Respectfully, that is not the conclusion that should be drawn from the OLC policy memo. Rather, it is up to Congress to pursue accountability for presidential acts, and not the DOJ. That doesn’t put the President above the law, but only opines as to which branch of government must hold him accountable.

Again, this merely finds a difference between civil proceedings in which two citizens (one who happens to be the President) are adversarial v. criminal proceedings in which the government is adverse to the President. The distinction is important.

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Barr needs to be impeached.

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She is…brilliantly.

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“that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy”

Did I miss something? “Broader” ? Compared with what?

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The practical effect of this DOJ policy is to create an Imperial Presidency- an office that can act by fiat and break any law while in power.

This strikes at the heart of the ethics and foundations presented in the Constitution establishing accountability; checks & balances and the idea that no individual is above the law.

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But the reasons given in the OLC memo and DOJ policy for not indicting a sitting President is the interruption that would be caused by having to defend the criminal case. That argument would apply to the defense of a civil action, yet the USSC allowed the civil action to continue.

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Indeed. Dems should be talking about that along with the rest of it and talk of needing a Constitutional Amendment should be floated ASAP.

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Well said. :clap:

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“Nuance”? Americans don’t do that. Never have, never will.

Americans need to be hit directly upside the head: Clinton got blowjobs in the Oval Office. Trump colluded with Russia, and tried to cover it up.

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So tired of the damned word dances and reports about feuds. We need justice for the 66 million voters and for Hillary Clinton. Mueller not capable of delivering it. Just tired of it all.

Just not up to the dances by individual1 appointed judges that is the future from here. No justice in America unless you are a rich white Republican male.

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“Barr And Mueller Truth At Odds.”

Fixed.

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